Months After Cyclist Killed In Irving Park, Bike Lane Remains Faded - The Chainlink2024-03-28T22:36:58Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/months-after-cyclist-killed-in-irving-park-bike-lane-remains?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1134612&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noFinally. I think the article…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-02-06:2211490:Comment:11346122020-02-06T03:47:39.873ZSabrina Boschhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SabrinaBosch
<p>Finally. I think the article has a typo that doesn't take away from the rest of the article but just to clear it up it mentions cyclists traveling south<span style="text-decoration: underline;">west?</span> along the 3800 block of North Milwaukee. I honestly don't ride it often now but that stretch is probably traveling south<strong><em>east </em></strong>or northwest but not southwest. But beside that the article really focuses on and emphasizes the importance of the maintenance. Thank…</p>
<p>Finally. I think the article has a typo that doesn't take away from the rest of the article but just to clear it up it mentions cyclists traveling south<span style="text-decoration: underline;">west?</span> along the 3800 block of North Milwaukee. I honestly don't ride it often now but that stretch is probably traveling south<strong><em>east </em></strong>or northwest but not southwest. But beside that the article really focuses on and emphasizes the importance of the maintenance. Thank you for telling about this Bob.</p> Somebody took matters into th…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-02-06:2211490:Comment:11344292020-02-06T02:20:13.363ZBob Kastigarhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BobKastigar
<p>Somebody took matters into their own hands!</p>
<p><a href="https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/02/05/tired-of-the-city-not-maintaining-bike-lanes-someone-spray-paints-new-ones-at-deadly-intersection/" rel="noopener" target="_blank">https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/02/05/tired-of-the-city-not-maintaining-bike-lanes-someone-spray-paints-new-ones-at-deadly-intersection/</a></p>
<h1 class="article-header__title___2_ur- article-header__title">Tired Of The City Not Maintaining Bike Lanes, Someone…</h1>
<p>Somebody took matters into their own hands!</p>
<p><a href="https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/02/05/tired-of-the-city-not-maintaining-bike-lanes-someone-spray-paints-new-ones-at-deadly-intersection/" target="_blank" rel="noopener">https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/02/05/tired-of-the-city-not-maintaining-bike-lanes-someone-spray-paints-new-ones-at-deadly-intersection/</a></p>
<h1 class="article-header__title___2_ur- article-header__title">Tired Of The City Not Maintaining Bike Lanes, Someone Spray Paints New Ones At Deadly Intersection</h1>
<p class="article-header__dek___3U0zk article-header__dek">Months after cyclist Carla Aiello has hit and killed by a truck at Milwaukee and Kilbourn avenues, someone repainted the faded bike lanes this week.</p>
<p>IRVING PARK — Someone apparently frustrated with the city for not maintaining the bike lanes on Milwaukee Avenue near the Grayland Metra stop has taken matters into their own hands.</p>
<p>Cyclists traveling southwest along the 3800 block of North Milwaukee Avenue on Tuesday noticed a newly touched up bike lane created with what appears to be white spray paint. Within the retouched bike lane are hearts drawn with sidewalk chalk.</p>
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<p class="article-header__dek___3U0zk article-header__dek"></p> Also, this (only tangentially…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-31:2211490:Comment:11344902020-01-31T12:52:34.943ZSkip Montanaro 0mihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SkipMontanaro92
<p>Also, this (only tangentially related, but still interesting I think, as our local gummints consider how and where to allocate transportation money):</p>
<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/01/massachusetts-car-economy-costs-64-billion-study-finds/">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/01/massachusetts-car-economy-costs-64-billion-study-finds/</a></p>
<p>Also, this (only tangentially related, but still interesting I think, as our local gummints consider how and where to allocate transportation money):</p>
<p><a href="https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/01/massachusetts-car-economy-costs-64-billion-study-finds/">https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/01/massachusetts-car-economy-costs-64-billion-study-finds/</a></p> I think that's right Skip. I…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-31:2211490:Comment:11341712020-01-31T03:14:46.135Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>I think that's right Skip. If the roadways and their features are not maintained, we get two (at a minimum) results: One is that the intended functionally such as it is isn't adhered to. Sure, there's always some deviation, e.g. speeding, illegal lane use, running stop lights or signs, one way violations, parking in the wrong places, dooring and so forth, but if people can't even figure out what's supposed to happen because signs or markings are missing or the roads are in bad shape, it…</p>
<p>I think that's right Skip. If the roadways and their features are not maintained, we get two (at a minimum) results: One is that the intended functionally such as it is isn't adhered to. Sure, there's always some deviation, e.g. speeding, illegal lane use, running stop lights or signs, one way violations, parking in the wrong places, dooring and so forth, but if people can't even figure out what's supposed to happen because signs or markings are missing or the roads are in bad shape, it becomes all the more difficult for all participants to use the road and figure out the right things to do. </p>
<p>The second undesirable result is that if the roadways and their attributes aren't maintained, it conveys to everybody that nobody cares. "There USED to be a bike lane here, but that didn't work out, so it looks like we're moving away from that, or whatever. Doesn't matter." and other variants of that sentiment.</p>
<p>Both of these results are undesirable for everyone involved. </p> "... that is an unmarked turn…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-30:2211490:Comment:11344872020-01-30T23:42:40.702ZSkip Montanaro 0mihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SkipMontanaro92
<p>"... <span>that is an unmarked turning lane for the trucks."</span></p>
<p>Again, highlighting the need for infrastructure maintenance. I think we naturally tend to think of repainting bike Lanes, but it's also important to keep up with motor vehicle-focused maintenance. Potholes get a lot of ink in the Trib and Sun Times, but the other stuff needs doing as well.</p>
<p>"... <span>that is an unmarked turning lane for the trucks."</span></p>
<p>Again, highlighting the need for infrastructure maintenance. I think we naturally tend to think of repainting bike Lanes, but it's also important to keep up with motor vehicle-focused maintenance. Potholes get a lot of ink in the Trib and Sun Times, but the other stuff needs doing as well.</p> If there was no bike lane pai…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-30:2211490:Comment:11343962020-01-30T23:33:53.719ZApie (11)https://thechainlink.org/profile/AndyPielet
<p>If there was no bike lane paint then cars would treat it as a 2 lane street from Irving to Addison, like they did before there was paint. If you look at the satellite view there is parking on the other side of the street (the 8 years I have been commuting I have never seen a car parked there). The paint stops way before the turn because that is an unmarked turning lane for the trucks. </p>
<p>If there was no bike lane paint then cars would treat it as a 2 lane street from Irving to Addison, like they did before there was paint. If you look at the satellite view there is parking on the other side of the street (the 8 years I have been commuting I have never seen a car parked there). The paint stops way before the turn because that is an unmarked turning lane for the trucks. </p> No worries Skip, I though you…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-30:2211490:Comment:11344862020-01-30T01:18:14.792ZSabrina Boschhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SabrinaBosch
<p>No worries Skip, I though your summary was pretty concise especially how the initial conditions left them stitching things together. Probably because of that it still feels like a bit of a kludge, in part because it is, but the needs for compromise as you pointed out gave rise to that. </p>
<p>No worries Skip, I though your summary was pretty concise especially how the initial conditions left them stitching things together. Probably because of that it still feels like a bit of a kludge, in part because it is, but the needs for compromise as you pointed out gave rise to that. </p> From the article, "A few mayo…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-29:2211490:Comment:11341682020-01-29T20:41:13.927Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>From the article, "<span>A few mayors acknowledged the problem. “Painted bicycle lanes are useless,” one mayor told interviewers. “They’ve got to be separate.” " </span></p>
<p><span>So that's our LFT for sure as a way to get cars and bikes seperated. It's NOT west-bound Randolph nor Elston nor Milwaukee nor much of Clybourn . The PBLs don't seem to satisfy that requirement in this town either, because the bikes are emptied right out into the standard 4way and diagonal intersections, and…</span></p>
<p>From the article, "<span>A few mayors acknowledged the problem. “Painted bicycle lanes are useless,” one mayor told interviewers. “They’ve got to be separate.” " </span></p>
<p><span>So that's our LFT for sure as a way to get cars and bikes seperated. It's NOT west-bound Randolph nor Elston nor Milwaukee nor much of Clybourn . The PBLs don't seem to satisfy that requirement in this town either, because the bikes are emptied right out into the standard 4way and diagonal intersections, and what's worse is because they're poorly maintained, riders end up right back in traffic in what is now a narrower car lane because of the losses to the PBL. Clybourn between North and Division is a bit of a disaster. Better is the 606, the LFT, a few good trails on the south side (which have occasional crossings) and some other efforts. </span></p>
<p><span>CDOT seems to have the opposite tactic by doing things that put cars, pedestrians and bikes in close proximity. </span></p> Brian, CLP is a John Forreste…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-29:2211490:Comment:11344822020-01-29T15:34:07.386ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>Brian, CLP is a John Forrester "vehicular cycling" devotee who thinks bikes should act like and be treated like cars. It's basically the one thing he has to say on this forum and he says it everywhere.</p>
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<p>Brian, CLP is a John Forrester "vehicular cycling" devotee who thinks bikes should act like and be treated like cars. It's basically the one thing he has to say on this forum and he says it everywhere.</p>
<p></p> Good lord! Boston is unsafe f…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-29:2211490:Comment:11341652020-01-29T15:19:21.598Zmike w.https://thechainlink.org/profile/mikew
<p>Good lord! Boston is unsafe for drivers as well- the absolute worst city i've ever driven/navigated.</p>
<p>Good lord! Boston is unsafe for drivers as well- the absolute worst city i've ever driven/navigated.</p>