Mary Schmich Tribune Column 10/7/12 - Is biking less safe, or does it just seem so? - The Chainlink2024-03-29T11:27:08Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A604209&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAgreed. And Trice did a grea…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6044772012-10-09T19:15:57.647ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Agreed. And Trice did a great job with this piece.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Lisa Curcio said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A604335&x=1#2211490Comment604335"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Always liked Dawn Turner Trice better than Mary Schmich.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Carter O'Brien said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Agreed. And Trice did a great job with this piece.<br/> <br/> <cite>Lisa Curcio said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A604335&x=1#2211490Comment604335"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Always liked Dawn Turner Trice better than Mary Schmich.<br/> <br/> <cite>Carter O'Brien said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A604320&x=1#2211490Comment604320"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You need to be registered for this one and for some reason my browser is giving me grief, but I saw this last night and it's a vast improvement over Schmich's milquetoast offering:</p>
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</blockquote> Always liked Dawn Turner Tric…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6043352012-10-09T19:06:28.366ZLisa Curciohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/LisaCurcio
<p>Always liked Dawn Turner Trice better than Mary Schmich.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Carter O'Brien said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A604320&x=1#2211490Comment604320"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You need to be registered for this one and for some reason my browser is giving me grief, but I saw this last night and it's a vast improvement over…</p>
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<p>Always liked Dawn Turner Trice better than Mary Schmich.<br/> <br/> <cite>Carter O'Brien said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A604320&x=1#2211490Comment604320"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You need to be registered for this one and for some reason my browser is giving me grief, but I saw this last night and it's a vast improvement over Schmich's milquetoast offering:</p>
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<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-trice-cycling-1008-20121008,0,144800.column" target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-trice-cycling-...</a></p>
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</blockquote> You need to be registered for…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6043202012-10-09T18:06:42.493ZCarter O'Brienhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/CarterOBrien
<p>You need to be registered for this one and for some reason my browser is giving me grief, but I saw this last night and it's a vast improvement over Schmich's milquetoast offering:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-trice-cycling-1008-20121008,0,144800.column" target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-trice-cycling-1008-20121008,0,144800.column</a></p>
<p>You need to be registered for this one and for some reason my browser is giving me grief, but I saw this last night and it's a vast improvement over Schmich's milquetoast offering:</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-trice-cycling-1008-20121008,0,144800.column" target="_blank">http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/ct-met-trice-cycling-1008-20121008,0,144800.column</a></p> +1But seriously, if there was…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6041232012-10-09T14:55:56.996ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>+1<br></br><br></br>But seriously, if there was yet another sign added to parking signposts, it would be one more thing for drivers to ignore. We already have too much sign pollution.<br></br><br></br>Outreach campaigns, PSAs, getting the state to add info about dooring to driver education materials and licensing tests, etc., would likely make more of a difference.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Lisa Curcio said:…</cite></p>
<p>+1<br/><br/>But seriously, if there was yet another sign added to parking signposts, it would be one more thing for drivers to ignore. We already have too much sign pollution.<br/><br/>Outreach campaigns, PSAs, getting the state to add info about dooring to driver education materials and licensing tests, etc., would likely make more of a difference.<br/> <br/> <cite>Lisa Curcio said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does#2211490Comment603408"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Heaven knows this crowd has its share of porcupines! :-)</p>
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</blockquote> If that is the case simply pr…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6042152012-10-09T14:40:59.502ZFar'arned Retrogrumpalunkus #63https://thechainlink.org/profile/JamesBlackHeron
<p>If that is the case simply press <strong>Alt-F4</strong> -which should solve your problem immediately when reading <em>The Chainlink</em>. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Adam Torres said:</cite></p>
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<p>If that is the case simply press <strong>Alt-F4</strong> -which should solve your problem immediately when reading <em>The Chainlink</em>. <br/> <br/> <cite>Adam Torres said:</cite></p>
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</blockquote> ha, ha, clp! So, if you and I…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6042092012-10-09T14:11:24.808ZAdam Torreshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdamTorres
<p>ha, ha, clp! So, if you and I were sitting having coffee or a beer or something and having this conversation verbally and I said, "You know some sort of signage or an actual ad campaigning about dooring would be a lot better way to get the awareness out there than waiting for someone to die," would you laugh in my face, clp?</p>
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<p>The internet sucks. I want to talk to human beings<br></br> <br></br> <cite>clp said:…</cite></p>
<p>ha, ha, clp! So, if you and I were sitting having coffee or a beer or something and having this conversation verbally and I said, "You know some sort of signage or an actual ad campaigning about dooring would be a lot better way to get the awareness out there than waiting for someone to die," would you laugh in my face, clp?</p>
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<p>The internet sucks. I want to talk to human beings<br/> <br/> <cite>clp said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A603713#2211490Comment603938"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Ha, ha, Adam! Do you think a ROAD SIGN would be read by any of these truck drivers? It is up to US to ride safely out of the door-zone. And if that places us in danger from large trucks coming up from behind, why we need to RIDE FURTHER TO THE LEFT! In order to block the oncoming traffic from trying to pass us, until we are good and ready to LET them past. Sure, they'll be pissed off at us. But better for them to be pissed for a couple of seconds, than for us to be dead for evermore.<br/> <br/> <cite>Adam Torres said:</cite></p>
<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>....Anyway..I wonder why there aren't just road signs that warn drivers about looking before they open their door?</p>
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</blockquote> It's largely up to cyclists t…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-09:2211490:Comment:6038642012-10-09T00:05:18.757ZZoetropehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Zoetrope
<p>It's largely up to cyclists to protect themselves. I've seen too many regular posters here get verbally abusive toward people who take the lane out of fear for their safety.</p>
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<p>Get to your destination safe and report raging and abusive drivers to proper authorities. Let the motorists worry about it. </p>
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<p>It's largely up to cyclists to protect themselves. I've seen too many regular posters here get verbally abusive toward people who take the lane out of fear for their safety.</p>
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<p>Get to your destination safe and report raging and abusive drivers to proper authorities. Let the motorists worry about it. </p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A603713&x=1#2211490Comment603938"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Ha, ha, Adam! Do you think a ROAD SIGN would be read by any of these truck drivers? It is up to US to ride safely out of the door-zone. And if that places us in danger from large trucks coming up from behind, why we need to RIDE FURTHER TO THE LEFT! In order to block the oncoming traffic from trying to pass us, until we are good and ready to LET them past. Sure, they'll be pissed off at us. But better for them to be pissed for a couple of seconds, than for us to be dead for evermore.<cite><br/></cite></p>
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</blockquote> I wish it were as simple as j…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-08:2211490:Comment:6038612012-10-08T23:58:42.007ZDonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Don156
<p>I wish it were as simple as just riding outside the door zone. Except when drivers double-park, or park way off the curb, or you get squeezed in by an aggressive driver passing. The guy who died was an experienced cyclist. </p>
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<p>I agree with Adam (also about the sad state of our newspapers), but I'd make it a part of those LAZ parking payboxes. Even print it out on the tickets drivers have to put on their dashboard. It seems like this is a lost cause, yet every time I'm in…</p>
<p>I wish it were as simple as just riding outside the door zone. Except when drivers double-park, or park way off the curb, or you get squeezed in by an aggressive driver passing. The guy who died was an experienced cyclist. </p>
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<p>I agree with Adam (also about the sad state of our newspapers), but I'd make it a part of those LAZ parking payboxes. Even print it out on the tickets drivers have to put on their dashboard. It seems like this is a lost cause, yet every time I'm in California I'm amazed at how drivers actually stop for pedestrians in crosswalks. It shows that the culture can be changed, and doing something is better than just chalking it up to the status quo.<br/> <br/> <cite>clp said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A603938&x=1#2211490Comment603938"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Ha, ha, Adam! Do you think a ROAD SIGN would be read by any of these truck drivers? It is up to US to ride safely out of the door-zone. And if that places us in danger from large trucks coming up from behind, why we need to RIDE FURTHER TO THE LEFT! In order to block the oncoming traffic from trying to pass us, until we are good and ready to LET them past. Sure, they'll be pissed off at us. But better for them to be pissed for a couple of seconds, than for us to be dead for evermore.<br/> <br/> <cite>Adam Torres said:</cite></p>
<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>....Anyway..I wonder why there aren't just road signs that warn drivers about looking before they open their door?</p>
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</blockquote> Wow, if the Tribune really ga…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-08:2211490:Comment:6037132012-10-08T18:33:40.525ZAdam Torreshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdamTorres
<p>Wow, if the Tribune really gave a care about people, it wouldn't have published the photo it did of the accident before he was even identified-and probably his family notified. And then we get a "heartfelt" Mary Schmich column-give me a break. Its so sad we are stuck with such of a rag of a newspaper in this city. I am sorry I am so disturbed by it and I don't seem to let it go.</p>
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<p>Anyway, riding to work today, I wonder why there aren't just road signs that warn drivers about…</p>
<p>Wow, if the Tribune really gave a care about people, it wouldn't have published the photo it did of the accident before he was even identified-and probably his family notified. And then we get a "heartfelt" Mary Schmich column-give me a break. Its so sad we are stuck with such of a rag of a newspaper in this city. I am sorry I am so disturbed by it and I don't seem to let it go.</p>
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<p>Anyway, riding to work today, I wonder why there aren't just road signs that warn drivers about looking before they open their door?</p> Zoetrope said:
It's funny how…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-10-08:2211490:Comment:6037122012-10-08T18:30:34.802Zpaulcycleshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/paulcycles
<p><cite>Zoetrope said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does#2211490Comment603603"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It's funny how the guy who is the most vocal about freedom from the tyranny of helmets is the guy I've always imagined wearing a magic hat made of tinfoil. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>James BlackHeron said:…</cite></p>
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<p><cite>Zoetrope said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does#2211490Comment603603"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It's funny how the guy who is the most vocal about freedom from the tyranny of helmets is the guy I've always imagined wearing a magic hat made of tinfoil. <br/> <br/> <cite>James BlackHeron said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/mary-schmich-tribune-column-10-7-12-is-biking-less-safe-or-does#2211490Comment603588"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Magic hats don't do much at all against being squished by cars -a candle in the wind...</p>
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<p>Or trucks weighing on at 2-5 -or more tons. Urban assault training and courteous</p>
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