Jana Kinsman could have been killed in Logan Square area last night by driver and pals thinking they're funny - The Chainlink2024-03-29T10:10:18Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A743829&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWow, WTF! Jana my heart goes…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-24:2211490:Comment:7464992013-08-24T03:41:38.736ZBanshee: 12-15mihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Steve312
Wow, WTF! Jana my heart goes out to you. I could not even imagine what you went through and what that would have felt like. I'm glad to hear that you didn't have any broken bones or worst not here with us. Wishing you a quick recovery!
Wow, WTF! Jana my heart goes out to you. I could not even imagine what you went through and what that would have felt like. I'm glad to hear that you didn't have any broken bones or worst not here with us. Wishing you a quick recovery! It would be great if CDOT rem…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7456112013-08-22T23:44:17.984ZJuan 2-3 or more mi.https://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnDominguez
<p>It would be great if CDOT removed an entire lane of parked cars along Kimball Ave. and put in a Dearborn type lane. I used to live along that corridor and have experienced a few way to close aggressive drivers, one even pointing a gun at me for "being in the way".</p>
<p>It would be great if CDOT removed an entire lane of parked cars along Kimball Ave. and put in a Dearborn type lane. I used to live along that corridor and have experienced a few way to close aggressive drivers, one even pointing a gun at me for "being in the way".</p> Serg posted that on page 4 or…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7455382013-08-22T23:28:11.894Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
<p>Serg posted that on page 4 or so. Does it look like the police or the media have made the connection that it could be the same perp?<br></br><br></br><cite>spencewine said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A743829&page=9#2211490Comment745526"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Trib just posted this story, appears there was a fatal hit-and-run last night with a…</p>
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<p>Serg posted that on page 4 or so. Does it look like the police or the media have made the connection that it could be the same perp?<br/><br/><cite>spencewine said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A743829&page=9#2211490Comment745526"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Trib just posted this story, appears there was a fatal hit-and-run last night with a vehicle matching the description in Jana's incident:</p>
<blockquote><p>Police are asking for the public's help identifying the driver and vehicle that killed an elderly man in a hit-and-run accident Tuesday on the city's Northwest Side.</p>
<p>Shortly before 6:30 p.m. Tuesday, Norman Esho, 83, had crossed the street near his family's video store near California and Devon avenues when he was struck by a <strong>maroon or red SUV</strong>, police said.</p>
<p>The vehicle, described as <strong>either a GMC, a Chevrolet Tahoe or Suburban,</strong> kept going and was last seen southbound on California Avenue, police said. The vehicle had shiny custom rims.</p>
<p>Esho of the 6300 block of North Francisco Avenue was pronounced dead at 7 p.m. Tuesday at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.</p>
<p>Anyone with information about the vehicle or the driver should contact the Major Accident Investigation Unit at 312-745-4521.</p>
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</blockquote> And they manage to track down…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7456732013-08-22T23:20:59.225Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
<p>And they manage to track down the driver.</p>
<p>And the driver says "Hmm, I don't remember anything about a cyclist... if I accidentally cut someone off, I'm sorry."</p>
<p>Then what?<br></br><br></br><cite>Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?page=9&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A745607&x=1#2211490Comment745317"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It is for this…</p>
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<p>And they manage to track down the driver.</p>
<p>And the driver says "Hmm, I don't remember anything about a cyclist... if I accidentally cut someone off, I'm sorry."</p>
<p>Then what?<br/><br/><cite>Adam Herstein (5.5 mi) said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?page=9&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A745607&x=1#2211490Comment745317"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It is for this exact reason that I have a camera rolling at all times when I ride.</p>
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<p>I don't believe we're conflating at all here. What happened to me and Eli was assault. What happened to Jana was battery. There's no such thing as "attempted aggression". Either someone is threatening or not. <em>Any</em> threat of violence, verbal or otherwise, is considered assault. Once physical contact is made, it becomes a different issue altogether.<br/><br/><cite>h' 1.0 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A745137&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment745137"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>That sucks.... but we're conflating situations with actual physical aggression with acts <em>that appeared to be attempted aggression</em> here. I am not questioning Adam's perception that the cabbie acted deliberately and aggressively in his situation, but without actual contact with the cab it's going to end up being a "your word against thers" situation and is not going to be considered worth devoting resources to by the majority of cops.<br/><br/><cite>Eli said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?page=8&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A745026&x=1#2211490Comment745280"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Adam's experience is entirely consistent with my own attempts to report driver assaults. In one case the driver actually got out of the car and punched me, in a situation where I was a pedestrian in the LFT-Montrose crosswalk. I was repeatedly hung up on by multiple cops (and if you think you can get a badge number from a cop over the phone, you're living in a different world than I am) and strongly discouraged from filing a report when I finally visited the station in person. I did persist in filing the report but of course the promised followup call from a detective never came. Would be nice if the CPD spent half as much time doing what it claims to do as it does on these bullshit PR puff-pieces wherein it claims to do them.</p>
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<p>Trib just posted this story, appears there was a fatal hit-and-run last night with a vehicle matching the description in Jana's incident:</p>
<blockquote><p>Police are asking for the public's help identifying the driver and vehicle that killed an elderly man in a hit-and-run accident Tuesday on the city's Northwest Side.</p>
<p>Shortly before 6:30 p.m. Tuesday, Norman Esho, 83, had crossed the street near his family's video store near California and Devon avenues when he was struck by a…</p>
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<p>Trib just posted this story, appears there was a fatal hit-and-run last night with a vehicle matching the description in Jana's incident:</p>
<blockquote><p>Police are asking for the public's help identifying the driver and vehicle that killed an elderly man in a hit-and-run accident Tuesday on the city's Northwest Side.</p>
<p>Shortly before 6:30 p.m. Tuesday, Norman Esho, 83, had crossed the street near his family's video store near California and Devon avenues when he was struck by a <strong>maroon or red SUV</strong>, police said.</p>
<p>The vehicle, described as <strong>either a GMC, a Chevrolet Tahoe or Suburban,</strong> kept going and was last seen southbound on California Avenue, police said. The vehicle had shiny custom rims.</p>
<p>Esho of the 6300 block of North Francisco Avenue was pronounced dead at 7 p.m. Tuesday at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.</p>
<p>Anyone with information about the vehicle or the driver should contact the Major Accident Investigation Unit at 312-745-4521.</p>
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<p>surveillance video of the aftermath of the attack: <a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130821/logan-square/cyclist-grabbed-dragged-surveillance-video-shows-people-coming-help">http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130821/logan-square/cyclist-grabbed-dragged-surveillance-video-shows-people-coming-help</a></p>
<p>surveillance video of the aftermath of the attack: <a href="http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130821/logan-square/cyclist-grabbed-dragged-surveillance-video-shows-people-coming-help">http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130821/logan-square/cyclist-grabbed-dragged-surveillance-video-shows-people-coming-help</a></p> This story and, unfortunately…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7453912013-08-22T21:34:57.973ZMickeal Teaguehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/LadyTeague
<p>This story and, unfortunately, the many others that have come before it SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME!! Please pardon the language but that is some scarey shit. In spite of the fact that there are low-life's, I guess, trying to take the joy out of it, I still LOVE to ride and will continue to do so safely, cautiously and w/ the awareness of a city-dwelling squirrel; sad that we have to ride like that but it is what it is...</p>
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<p>This story and, unfortunately, the many others that have come before it SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME!! Please pardon the language but that is some scarey shit. In spite of the fact that there are low-life's, I guess, trying to take the joy out of it, I still LOVE to ride and will continue to do so safely, cautiously and w/ the awareness of a city-dwelling squirrel; sad that we have to ride like that but it is what it is...</p>
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<p><strong>& hang in there Jana</strong></p>
<p></p> Here in Milwaukee, the city's…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7452532013-08-22T20:05:37.950ZBarry Niel Stuarthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BarryNielStuart
<p>Here in Milwaukee, the city's Department of Public works handles parking enforcement. Our cops, who are already spread thin, at least are relieved from parking enforcement duties.</p>
<p>Here in Milwaukee, the city's Department of Public works handles parking enforcement. Our cops, who are already spread thin, at least are relieved from parking enforcement duties.</p> Two people nearby called 911…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7452522013-08-22T19:59:29.930Zblairhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BlairFabian
Two people nearby called 911 for me and requested an ambulance. Got there in maybe two mins max. After waiting about 10-15 mins for CPD, they put me in the ambulance because my head was bleeding pretty badly. As soon as they opened the door to let me in, the lady sped off. I had to ask for a police officer three times at the hospital. When one got there, she said she was the original officer responding to my call. No idea why it took her an hour and a half to respond. She basically told me to…
Two people nearby called 911 for me and requested an ambulance. Got there in maybe two mins max. After waiting about 10-15 mins for CPD, they put me in the ambulance because my head was bleeding pretty badly. As soon as they opened the door to let me in, the lady sped off. I had to ask for a police officer three times at the hospital. When one got there, she said she was the original officer responding to my call. No idea why it took her an hour and a half to respond. She basically told me to suck it up because her dad was the victim of a hit and run when he was walking one day. I was later told it was my responsibility to figure out if there were any cameras nearby. If so, it was my responsibility to figure out who owned them. And I did. The security camera on the Blommer factory caught the whole thing but the quality wasn't good enough to get a plate number. I asked if CPD would check if the ambulance had a dash cam. Never heard back. Thankfully I have awesome insurance and only ended up paying $200ish. Still have no idea who hit me - she came out of her car and offered me tissues for my head. I had no reason to think I should take her pic or one of the car. She acted like the was staying until I had my back turned. I really need to invest in a camera. I've personally experienced a…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-08-22:2211490:Comment:7450682013-08-22T19:15:33.304ZCherylhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/cmz
<p>I've personally experienced an ambulance with no police appearing, and as I recall, others have posted about similar situations elsewhere on Chainlink. So even an ambulance does not guarantee active police involvement.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>h' 1.0 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A743829&page=8#2211490Comment745040"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Not terribly…</p>
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<p>I've personally experienced an ambulance with no police appearing, and as I recall, others have posted about similar situations elsewhere on Chainlink. So even an ambulance does not guarantee active police involvement.<br/> <br/> <cite>h' 1.0 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/jana-kinsman-could-have-been-killed-in-logan-square-area-last?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A743829&page=8#2211490Comment745040"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Not terribly helpful, but when the 911 operator asks if you need an ambulance, and you say no, you're usually looking at at least 45 minutes. If you say yes, generally a police car will be there shortly, often before the ambulance. <br/><br/><cite><br/></cite></p>
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