How Does Specialized Expect Women to Take Them Seriously When They Don't Take Women Seriously? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T18:32:04Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/how-does-specialized-expect-women-to-take-them-seriously-when-the?feed=yes&xn_auth=noWell said. Thanks David.tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-25:2211490:Comment:9769602016-03-25T15:51:57.551ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Well said. Thanks David.</p>
<p>Well said. Thanks David.</p> There are a lot of great, kno…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-25:2211490:Comment:9769592016-03-25T15:51:01.290ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>There are a lot of great, knowledgable women in the industry so I am not surprised. I've been quoted in interviews for The Chainlink expressing how many great local bike shops there are in the Chicago area e.g. Johnny Sprockets, Turin, Boulevard, and more. I am not disputing Specialized's products - as mentioned in the post, I own 4 Ruby Pro saddles. Moving forward, if Specialized doesn't make significant changes, I struggle to buy anything from them, no matter how good, if the company…</p>
<p>There are a lot of great, knowledgable women in the industry so I am not surprised. I've been quoted in interviews for The Chainlink expressing how many great local bike shops there are in the Chicago area e.g. Johnny Sprockets, Turin, Boulevard, and more. I am not disputing Specialized's products - as mentioned in the post, I own 4 Ruby Pro saddles. Moving forward, if Specialized doesn't make significant changes, I struggle to buy anything from them, no matter how good, if the company doesn't respect me as a woman and consumer. </p> I yield! Too hot a topic.
I w…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-25:2211490:Comment:9769582016-03-25T14:16:06.514ZIrvin Steinerthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/IrvinSteinert
<p>I yield! Too hot a topic.</p>
<p>I will say that I was standing and admiring a gorgeous Specialized road bike that was highlighted at the front of Spokes in Wheaton and when I talked to the sales guy he said it was in their line of woman's bikes. BTW that store has(or had) a as one of their best sales people, a woman that was super knowledgeable and a tri-athelete. That store definitely takes women cyclists seriously. I was there when a woman was getting a "pro" fitting on her new road…</p>
<p>I yield! Too hot a topic.</p>
<p>I will say that I was standing and admiring a gorgeous Specialized road bike that was highlighted at the front of Spokes in Wheaton and when I talked to the sales guy he said it was in their line of woman's bikes. BTW that store has(or had) a as one of their best sales people, a woman that was super knowledgeable and a tri-athelete. That store definitely takes women cyclists seriously. I was there when a woman was getting a "pro" fitting on her new road bike.</p> Next stop? Cosmetics, fashion…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-25:2211490:Comment:9768712016-03-25T05:03:44.739Zbk (aka: Dr. Mambohead)https://thechainlink.org/profile/bkookmukakaMCBikesalot
Next stop? Cosmetics, fashion, television and every other major industry!!! Sock it to 'em!!!
Next stop? Cosmetics, fashion, television and every other major industry!!! Sock it to 'em!!! I am still bummed mine was st…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-24:2211490:Comment:9768612016-03-24T21:59:50.604ZDavid Barishhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidBarish
<p>I am still bummed mine was stolen in 2005. It will always bother me but not n early as much as this sad nonsense with heeled bunnies. I have a hard time imagining purchasing a new Specialized. If they want a pretty girl or a pretty boy that girl or boy ought to act like a rider, look like a rider, have a helmet, wear a Specialized kit and perhaps have a little mud, a little blood, outsized quads rather than attention paid to other areas of their bod, a little bit of the glow people get from…</p>
<p>I am still bummed mine was stolen in 2005. It will always bother me but not n early as much as this sad nonsense with heeled bunnies. I have a hard time imagining purchasing a new Specialized. If they want a pretty girl or a pretty boy that girl or boy ought to act like a rider, look like a rider, have a helmet, wear a Specialized kit and perhaps have a little mud, a little blood, outsized quads rather than attention paid to other areas of their bod, a little bit of the glow people get from riding bikes that makes them beautiful even when they...um...really need a shower. They ought to know that bunnies with bikes is pungent.</p> I'm suddenly not so sad my Sp…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-24:2211490:Comment:9767432016-03-24T18:14:18.290ZKathttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Kat770
<p>I'm suddenly not so sad my Specialized Rock Hopper got stolen in 1999.</p>
<p>I'm suddenly not so sad my Specialized Rock Hopper got stolen in 1999.</p> Irvin, this is not about men…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-24:2211490:Comment:9769192016-03-24T15:05:16.535ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>Irvin, this is not about men - at all.</p>
<p>Irvin, this is not about men - at all.</p> It's not a counter argument j…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-24:2211490:Comment:9770072016-03-24T14:52:39.368ZIrvin Steinerthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/IrvinSteinert
<p>It's not a counter argument just an extrapolation. Hypersexualization of men hurts women as well.</p>
<p>Male cultural sexuality is as a physically and financially dominating character. Without understanding that you will never eliminate the sexual objectification of women.</p>
<p>It's not a counter argument just an extrapolation. Hypersexualization of men hurts women as well.</p>
<p>Male cultural sexuality is as a physically and financially dominating character. Without understanding that you will never eliminate the sexual objectification of women.</p> Are you kidding? I can't tell…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-24:2211490:Comment:9769152016-03-24T14:28:16.906ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Are you kidding? I can't tell if this is a joke or an argument or both. </p>
<p>If you are kidding/joking, you don't seem to be taking it seriously. That would be a shame. You have a lot of good insight you offer on The Chainlink and I would like for you to take this more seriously. And as David P. said, this is a global issue for women - in the workplace, in the home, everywhere. I have over 20 years digital and technical experience and yet I cannot tell you how many times men assume I am…</p>
<p>Are you kidding? I can't tell if this is a joke or an argument or both. </p>
<p>If you are kidding/joking, you don't seem to be taking it seriously. That would be a shame. You have a lot of good insight you offer on The Chainlink and I would like for you to take this more seriously. And as David P. said, this is a global issue for women - in the workplace, in the home, everywhere. I have over 20 years digital and technical experience and yet I cannot tell you how many times men assume I am "not technical" and need to mansplain a simple concept like domain extensions to me like I'm a little girl. </p>
<p>When I went to buy my road bike back in 2012 I wasn't taken seriously - why would I want to buy a carbon road bike with Shimano 105 when I could buy a hybrid with a comfort seat for a fraction of the cost? That carbon road bike with 105 helped me complete my first century months later and RAGBRAI the following year. </p>
<p>That's just a taste of what I've experienced. As a woman, when you are not taken seriously over and over and over, it can feel defeating and overwhelming. So instead of sitting in a corner and giving up, I'm here as a business owner, trying to make a difference for all cyclists and for women cyclists. There are many topics I'll joke about but this isn't one of them. Take a look at the bike industry related advertising that has cropped up in 2016 (and it's only March):</p>
<p><a href="https://medium.com/@dkos07/an-incomplete-list-of-sexism-within-cycling-4ea634026e71#.r581l0zbp" target="_blank">https://medium.com/@dkos07/an-incomplete-list-of-sexism-within-cycl...</a></p>
<div>Why should women be taken seriously? We are a huge part of the market and we are one of the biggest growth areas for the cycling industry.</div>
<div>•Women who bike commute grew 56% (2007-2011)</div>
<div>•Women will ride more with better bike infrastructure i.e. PBLs</div>
<div>•60% of bike owners aged 17-28 are women</div>
<div>•<strong>Women 37% of the bike market in 2011, spending $2.3 billion</strong></div>
<div>•<strong>Women are still underrepresented in leadership position in advocacy organizations and the national industry</strong></div>
<div>•<strong>Professional women racers are grossly underpaid, no minimum set by UCI, not allowed to compete in the same races. </strong><p><span>In men’s cycling, UCI regulations clearly define what a team must pay its athletes: 36,300 euro for</span> <span>WorldTour</span> <span>squad (29,370 euro in case of neo-pros); 30,250 euro for Pro Continental squads (25,300 euro for neo-pros). Top athletes meanwhile make upwards of half a million euros per year. In women’s cycling, with no UCI wage regulations in place, athletes make only a fraction of the men’s minimum wage e.g. $5,000/year and <strong>many female athletes compete unpaid</strong>.</span></p>
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<div>•Women are objectified in advertising and the media for bicycles and gear</div>
<div>•Two words: podium girls</div>
<p>As with other industries, the bike industry is male-dominated as I experienced at Interbike last year. And as a woman in the media, it is harder to be take seriously. We can do better. </p> Oh, and of course I'm offende…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-03-24:2211490:Comment:9767202016-03-24T14:12:03.165ZIrvin Steinerthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/IrvinSteinert
<p>Oh, and of course I'm offended by the playboy bunny bike and the objectification of women.</p>
<p>Oh, and of course I'm offended by the playboy bunny bike and the objectification of women.</p>