Elston Protected Bike Lane--Zero Maintenance Zone - The Chainlink2024-03-29T16:02:03Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/elston-protected-bike-lane-zero-maintenance-zone?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1133884&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIf I'm reading this right, th…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-14:2211490:Comment:11338842020-01-14T02:42:21.228ZBrian Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BrianSobolak
<p>If I'm reading this right, that's 337 parking spaces!!! Even if that's wrong and it's half that...170 cars spaces!</p>
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<p>Between this development and Elston in general, the Jewel/Menards/Costco on Clyborn, and the weird shopping center on Fullerton by the river, we have basically created a massive retail infill that's pretty darn tough to get to without a car. NONE of it is walkable. </p>
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<p>What a total shame. </p>
<p>If I'm reading this right, that's 337 parking spaces!!! Even if that's wrong and it's half that...170 cars spaces!</p>
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<p>Between this development and Elston in general, the Jewel/Menards/Costco on Clyborn, and the weird shopping center on Fullerton by the river, we have basically created a massive retail infill that's pretty darn tough to get to without a car. NONE of it is walkable. </p>
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<p>What a total shame. </p> Thank you. I'd rather see all…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-13:2211490:Comment:11333942020-01-13T16:10:04.499ZTooscrappshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Tooscrapps
<p>Thank you. I'd rather see all traffic enter/exit from Fullerton.</p>
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<p>God, what a waste of a prime location.</p>
<p>Thank you. I'd rather see all traffic enter/exit from Fullerton.</p>
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<p>God, what a waste of a prime location.</p> Update - I finally found this…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-12:2211490:Comment:11333202020-01-12T15:45:49.269Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>Update - I finally found this, The plan all along was to put new businesses in here. If we don't, the tax revenues to pay for the $22(!) million intersection renovation, PBLs and sidewalks will have to come from elsewhere. See the last paragraph, the article asserts that the project was designed to serve cyclists and pedestrians along with motorists. (Another CDOT special?) …</p>
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<p>Update - I finally found this, The plan all along was to put new businesses in here. If we don't, the tax revenues to pay for the $22(!) million intersection renovation, PBLs and sidewalks will have to come from elsewhere. See the last paragraph, the article asserts that the project was designed to serve cyclists and pedestrians along with motorists. (Another CDOT special?) </p>
<p><a href="https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/8/14/16145172/transportation-damen-elston-fullerton-intersection-project">https://chicago.curbed.com/2017/8/14/16145172/transportation-damen-elston-fullerton-intersection-project</a></p>
<p></p> The Chick-fil-a and Panera dr…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-09:2211490:Comment:11332232020-01-09T21:22:50.088ZPhillip Hutchinsonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PhillipHutchinson
<p>The Chick-fil-a and Panera drive-thru going in across the street have the "heavy traffic business" angle covered already, but I guess it could always be worse? We should be happy that it's not a gas station I suppose.</p>
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<p>I had always envisioned this area as an opportunity to do something right in an area where there's a lot wrong. Clearly that isn't happening. </p>
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<p>The Chick-fil-a and Panera drive-thru going in across the street have the "heavy traffic business" angle covered already, but I guess it could always be worse? We should be happy that it's not a gas station I suppose.</p>
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<p>I had always envisioned this area as an opportunity to do something right in an area where there's a lot wrong. Clearly that isn't happening. </p>
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<p></p> This is from 2015, so not sur…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-09:2211490:Comment:11331182020-01-09T21:06:47.788ZPhillip Hutchinsonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PhillipHutchinson
<p>This is from 2015, so not sure if it's current or not. </p>
<p>The Chick-Fil-A would be in the 4000 SF building. This plan shows drive-thrus for both buildings, but all traffic would go in/out of the same parking lot entrance, (which this plan shows as a new signal).…</p>
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<p>This is from 2015, so not sure if it's current or not. </p>
<p>The Chick-Fil-A would be in the 4000 SF building. This plan shows drive-thrus for both buildings, but all traffic would go in/out of the same parking lot entrance, (which this plan shows as a new signal).</p>
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<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3811286196?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><br/><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3811286196?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> Sorry, I meant for the island…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-09:2211490:Comment:11330382020-01-09T18:53:09.603ZTooscrappshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Tooscrapps
<p>Sorry, I meant for the island parcel. I am concerned about allowing a drive-thru entrance on Elston.</p>
<p>Sorry, I meant for the island parcel. I am concerned about allowing a drive-thru entrance on Elston.</p> I'm not really concerned abou…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-09:2211490:Comment:11330332020-01-09T17:37:29.434ZMark Cassidyhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MarkCassidy
<p>I'm not really concerned about how this will look as I will ride by it on my bike in about 1 minute. Besides, there are plenty of ugly buildings along my ride on Elston. I'll take a driving range over a heavy traffic business like Starbucks or a laundromat. Those have lots of traffic coming and going all day long. This driving range will see traffic on the weekend and evenings.</p>
<p>I'm not really concerned about how this will look as I will ride by it on my bike in about 1 minute. Besides, there are plenty of ugly buildings along my ride on Elston. I'll take a driving range over a heavy traffic business like Starbucks or a laundromat. Those have lots of traffic coming and going all day long. This driving range will see traffic on the weekend and evenings.</p> Here you go.
It's basically…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-09:2211490:Comment:11332212020-01-09T16:32:26.769ZPhillip Hutchinsonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PhillipHutchinson
<p>Here you go. </p>
<p>It's basically a driving range surrounded by parking. A very suburban approach to a parcel that is in the middle of a major city. </p>
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<p>It's hard to tell if there's even a sidewalk along Elston, not that anyone will want to walk here.…</p>
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<p>Here you go. </p>
<p>It's basically a driving range surrounded by parking. A very suburban approach to a parcel that is in the middle of a major city. </p>
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<p>It's hard to tell if there's even a sidewalk along Elston, not that anyone will want to walk here.</p>
<p><a href="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3809964740?profile=original" target="_blank" rel="noopener"><img src="https://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/3809964740?profile=RESIZE_710x" class="align-full"/></a></p> I'm curious to see what the s…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-08:2211490:Comment:11333002020-01-08T19:07:19.448ZTooscrappshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Tooscrapps
<p>I'm curious to see what the site plan is. I have not been able to find it, but maybe I'll go take a look at the site in the next few days.</p>
<p>I'm curious to see what the site plan is. I have not been able to find it, but maybe I'll go take a look at the site in the next few days.</p> Loud and clear Brian. Essent…tag:thechainlink.org,2020-01-04:2211490:Comment:11330262020-01-04T00:21:42.106Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>Loud and clear Brian. Essentially the same design sets forth the same problem on Clybourn north west of Division, particularly up around Halstead. The PBLs aren't kept clear so often the bikes are back in with the cars, and worse now, the cars now have 1 tight lane each direction, so it's all the more hectic. </p>
<p>As the vacant land north of the Target store by Division, and the space to the east of Clybourn both get developed, we'll likely see more of what happens on Elston. Another…</p>
<p>Loud and clear Brian. Essentially the same design sets forth the same problem on Clybourn north west of Division, particularly up around Halstead. The PBLs aren't kept clear so often the bikes are back in with the cars, and worse now, the cars now have 1 tight lane each direction, so it's all the more hectic. </p>
<p>As the vacant land north of the Target store by Division, and the space to the east of Clybourn both get developed, we'll likely see more of what happens on Elston. Another CDOT special. And the CTA got rid of the Clybourn bus several years ago too. Clybourn seems to be one of the worst places to ride, both south of North Ave, and where the painted lanes are northwest of there, because the way the car turns and traffic work, people go around in the bike lanes to keep everything moving. (the argument for the PBL, but then we just get what you and I have both described on Elston and south on Clybourn)</p>