E-bikes taking the lead in bikeshare - The Chainlink2024-03-28T22:01:10Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/e-bikes-taking-the-lead-in-bikeshare?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1127975&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThere are often commercial ve…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-30:2211490:Comment:11278832019-08-30T16:44:01.221ZBrian Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BrianS
<p>There are often commercial vehicles on the trail. Beer deliveries, food deliveries, port-o-potty deliveries, etc.</p>
<p>There are often commercial vehicles on the trail. Beer deliveries, food deliveries, port-o-potty deliveries, etc.</p> Exactly, because they are COM…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-30:2211490:Comment:11279752019-08-30T16:42:44.290ZMarkhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Mark314
<p>Exactly, because they are COMMERCIAL vehicles. Should we allow commercial vehicles on the LFT?</p>
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<p>Exactly, because they are COMMERCIAL vehicles. Should we allow commercial vehicles on the LFT?</p>
<p></p> It had a license plate becaus…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-30:2211490:Comment:11277682019-08-30T15:01:38.922ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>It had a license plate because, while a tricycle, it is regulated by the department of business affairs and consumer protection. </p>
<p>It had a license plate because, while a tricycle, it is regulated by the department of business affairs and consumer protection. </p> We are generally on the same…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-29:2211490:Comment:11277642019-08-29T02:46:27.399ZJim Rehohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JimReho
<p>We are generally on the same page. I might even limit even Class 1 ebikes to 15 mph if they're in bike lanes and on paths. I guess we can live with 20 if we have to.</p>
<p>We are generally on the same page. I might even limit even Class 1 ebikes to 15 mph if they're in bike lanes and on paths. I guess we can live with 20 if we have to.</p> If that's a reply aimed at me…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-28:2211490:Comment:11278772019-08-28T19:46:36.441Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>If that's a reply aimed at me, I agree they weren't, which is exactly why I think e-bikes shouldn't be allowed to do so either. To be clear, I support the lines the City has drawn, which is that Class 3 e-bikes (i.e., ones that go over 20) shouldn't be allowed in bike lanes and mixed use paths. </p>
<p>If that's a reply aimed at me, I agree they weren't, which is exactly why I think e-bikes shouldn't be allowed to do so either. To be clear, I support the lines the City has drawn, which is that Class 3 e-bikes (i.e., ones that go over 20) shouldn't be allowed in bike lanes and mixed use paths. </p> No. I'd argue the City has a…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-28:2211490:Comment:11275672019-08-28T19:44:00.132Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>No. I'd argue the City has a valid reason to cap e-bikes at 20 mph if they're going to use paths and bike lanes, as people going above that speed may present a danger, and I'm noting one of the factors that the City very likely considered when setting that standard is the idea that having inexperienced people be able to go on a mixed path and bicycle lanes on e-bikes on speeds up to 30 mph is kinda dangerous. </p>
<p>No need for me to slip down the slippery slope with you. </p>
<p>No. I'd argue the City has a valid reason to cap e-bikes at 20 mph if they're going to use paths and bike lanes, as people going above that speed may present a danger, and I'm noting one of the factors that the City very likely considered when setting that standard is the idea that having inexperienced people be able to go on a mixed path and bicycle lanes on e-bikes on speeds up to 30 mph is kinda dangerous. </p>
<p>No need for me to slip down the slippery slope with you. </p> Maybe mopeds capped at 25 wer…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-28:2211490:Comment:11277612019-08-28T18:14:28.591ZJim Rehohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JimReho
<p>Maybe mopeds capped at 25 were or are allowed to be operated without a license, but were they allowed to go on designated bike paths? I don't care if ebikes go 25 on the streets. I don't think they should be doing that on bike paths or multi-use paths. To my recollection, those gas-powered mopeds you're talking about weren't allowed to do that in Illinois. </p>
<p>Maybe mopeds capped at 25 were or are allowed to be operated without a license, but were they allowed to go on designated bike paths? I don't care if ebikes go 25 on the streets. I don't think they should be doing that on bike paths or multi-use paths. To my recollection, those gas-powered mopeds you're talking about weren't allowed to do that in Illinois. </p> I draw the line at the same p…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-28:2211490:Comment:11277592019-08-28T17:42:17.055Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>I draw the line at the same place the City has already decided to draw the line by statute for e-bikes on paths and in bike lanes, which is 20 mph (I mistakenly thought it was 18). I have no doubt you could operate your e-bike extremely safely above that speed, and very likely in even a safer manner than a Lakefront Lance that things it's a good idea to do high intensity 30 mph sprint workouts on the LFT, <em>but</em> I think the basis for the cap is valid. And part of that basis is anyone…</p>
<p>I draw the line at the same place the City has already decided to draw the line by statute for e-bikes on paths and in bike lanes, which is 20 mph (I mistakenly thought it was 18). I have no doubt you could operate your e-bike extremely safely above that speed, and very likely in even a safer manner than a Lakefront Lance that things it's a good idea to do high intensity 30 mph sprint workouts on the LFT, <em>but</em> I think the basis for the cap is valid. And part of that basis is anyone can get on a Class-3 e-bike and instantly go 30 mph, whether they can operate the bike safely or not. There's some inherent danger in that, and the City has the right IMHO to try and mitigate that danger by capping speeds on e-bikes. </p> So you would advocate that an…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-28:2211490:Comment:11277952019-08-28T17:24:39.781ZBrian Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BrianS
<p>So you would advocate that any cyclist, regardless of bike, should need to obtain a license to travel faster than, say, 18 mph? To prove that they're experienced enough to do so safely?</p>
<p>So you would advocate that any cyclist, regardless of bike, should need to obtain a license to travel faster than, say, 18 mph? To prove that they're experienced enough to do so safely?</p> We already factor in "experie…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-08-28:2211490:Comment:11275652019-08-28T17:21:47.603Zadhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AdrianRohrer
<p>We already factor in "experience" to other modes of transportation. Traditional mopeds capped at 25 mph are allowed to be operated by people in most states without having to obtain a motorcycle license, with the thought being that they generally go slow enough that a novice can hop on and still control it. Mopeds that can go over 25 mph and motorcycles require a special license, with the understanding that more experience if required from the start to properly operate them. </p>
<p>The…</p>
<p>We already factor in "experience" to other modes of transportation. Traditional mopeds capped at 25 mph are allowed to be operated by people in most states without having to obtain a motorcycle license, with the thought being that they generally go slow enough that a novice can hop on and still control it. Mopeds that can go over 25 mph and motorcycles require a special license, with the understanding that more experience if required from the start to properly operate them. </p>
<p>The above are laws that have existed for decades. Obtainable speed is recognized to have a relationship on how safe something is to operate mixed in with the public at large. Not sure why e-bikes should be treated any differently in terms of classifying them by speed. </p>