Double parked in the bike lane. - The Chainlink2024-03-29T08:52:18Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A758041&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noSaw this liquor truck making…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-26:2211490:Comment:7580412013-09-26T18:16:34.710ZRich Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/RichyRich
<p>Saw this liquor truck making deliveries this morning and thought I'd share. The liquor store is across the street. Rather than block the very wide bike lane and make it easy to deliver this driver parked across the street blocking a vehicular traffic lane. This is right by my job and normally the delivery trucks will block the lane. But thought I'd point out that sometimes they don't. And before anyone asks I did see someone come out of the liquor store and walk across the street to the…</p>
<p>Saw this liquor truck making deliveries this morning and thought I'd share. The liquor store is across the street. Rather than block the very wide bike lane and make it easy to deliver this driver parked across the street blocking a vehicular traffic lane. This is right by my job and normally the delivery trucks will block the lane. But thought I'd point out that sometimes they don't. And before anyone asks I did see someone come out of the liquor store and walk across the street to the truck. At first I wasn't sure if he was delivering to the store or the Walgreens. </p>
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<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35250245?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35250245?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721" class="align-full"/></a></p> Just got home from work. Rath…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-24:2211490:Comment:7573192013-09-24T05:41:56.321ZMauricehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Maurice
Just got home from work. Rather than being depressed that I had to work so late, I decided during my 5-mile commute through the Loop and some rather desolate areas with ample curb-side parking to conduct a highly scientific experiment to test some of the claims made in this thread.<br />
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Number of delivery trucks expected: 0<br />
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Just got home from work. Rather than being depressed that I had to work so late, I decided during my 5-mile commute through the Loop and some rather desolate areas with ample curb-side parking to conduct a highly scientific experiment to test some of the claims made in this thread.<br />
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Number of delivery trucks expected: 0<br />
Number of delivery trucks encountered: 5<br />
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Number of double-parked delivery trucks expected: 0<br />
Number of double-parked delivery trucks encountered: all of them (plus an empty police car)<br />
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Number of bicyclists endangered: 0<br />
because there was almost no traffic and, indeed, almost no bicyclists.<br />
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So, according the mathematical calculations written on this here cocktail napkin, a certain subset of delivery truck drivers will park smack dab in the middle of a bike lane or a traffic lane even when there is an empty curb literally right next to them and actually closer to the place where they are making their delivery. Go figure. Read the rest of the discussi…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-22:2211490:Comment:7567222013-09-22T09:10:50.828ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>Read the rest of the discussion please.</p>
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<p>Report back on your findings.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>William Beck said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756788&x=1#2211490Comment756721"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Um, in a LEGAL parking space maybe?</p>
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<p>Read the rest of the discussion please.</p>
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<p>Report back on your findings.<br/> <br/> <cite>William Beck said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756788&x=1#2211490Comment756721"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Um, in a LEGAL parking space maybe?</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane#2211490Comment754470"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Where should UPS, USPS and Fedex park their trucks when they make a delivery then?</p>
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Um, in…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-22:2211490:Comment:7567882013-09-22T08:44:37.176Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
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<br></br> <br></br> <cite>William Beck said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756721&x=1#2211490Comment756721"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Um, in a LEGAL parking space maybe?</p>
<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>notoriousDUG said:…</cite></p>
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<br/> <br/> <cite>William Beck said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756721&x=1#2211490Comment756721"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Um, in a LEGAL parking space maybe?</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane#2211490Comment754470"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Where should UPS, USPS and Fedex park their trucks when they make a delivery then?</p>
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</blockquote> BEER!!!
h' 1.0 said:In summa…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-22:2211490:Comment:7565672013-09-22T06:15:40.833Zigzhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Iggy
BEER!!!<br></br>
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<cite>h' 1.0 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=10#2211490Comment756545"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In summary-- as long as trucks are delivering beer or bicycles, they're fine.</p>
<p>I must admit I'm surprised that the employees of Rapid Transit drink so much beer that they need it delivered by truck though.</p>
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BEER!!!<br/>
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<cite>h' 1.0 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=10#2211490Comment756545"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>In summary-- as long as trucks are delivering beer or bicycles, they're fine.</p>
<p>I must admit I'm surprised that the employees of Rapid Transit drink so much beer that they need it delivered by truck though.</p>
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<p><cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756699&x=1#2211490Comment756537"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br/><p>Now you get to the beer truck or the freight truck dropping bikes of at Rapid Transit... Well even a short trailer is going to be 30' which is 3 cars gone without taking the tractor into consideration. Beer trucks are even longer, usually a 40' or longer trailer. Neither of those are capable of backing into a spot without almost double the clear space or getting into oncoming traffic; some of them can't even make some side street turns and have no hope of getting into an alley.</p>
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</blockquote> I wonder what effect forcing…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-22:2211490:Comment:7567102013-09-22T02:43:10.240ZThomas Bruzanhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ThomasBruzan
<p>I wonder what effect forcing the letter of the law concerning double parking of service vehicles would have on cyclists obtaining <em>new</em> bike lanes? Tom B.</p>
<p>I wonder what effect forcing the letter of the law concerning double parking of service vehicles would have on cyclists obtaining <em>new</em> bike lanes? Tom B.</p> In summary-- as long as truck…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-21:2211490:Comment:7565452013-09-21T23:27:38.117Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
<p>In summary-- as long as trucks are delivering beer or bicycles, they're fine.</p>
<p>I must admit I'm surprised that the employees of Rapid Transit drink so much beer that they need it delivered by truck though.</p>
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<p><cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756699&x=1#2211490Comment756537"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br></br><p>Now you get to the…</p>
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<p>In summary-- as long as trucks are delivering beer or bicycles, they're fine.</p>
<p>I must admit I'm surprised that the employees of Rapid Transit drink so much beer that they need it delivered by truck though.</p>
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<p><cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756699&x=1#2211490Comment756537"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><br/><p>Now you get to the beer truck or the freight truck dropping bikes of at Rapid Transit... Well even a short trailer is going to be 30' which is 3 cars gone without taking the tractor into consideration. Beer trucks are even longer, usually a 40' or longer trailer. Neither of those are capable of backing into a spot without almost double the clear space or getting into oncoming traffic; some of them can't even make some side street turns and have no hope of getting into an alley.</p>
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</blockquote> Best to just walk away from t…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-21:2211490:Comment:7567072013-09-21T23:23:27.480Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
<p>Best to just walk away from this sort of crap rather than respond to it IMO.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?page=10&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756699&x=1#2211490Comment756465"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Pot, meet kettle.</p>
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<p>You're even worse than I am bud.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Mark said:…</cite></p>
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<p>Best to just walk away from this sort of crap rather than respond to it IMO.<br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
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<p>You're even worse than I am bud.<br/> <br/> <cite>Mark said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=9#2211490Comment756522"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>OH, Oh, Oh, Let me answer for Emperor Dug. </p>
<p>Here is how it will go... </p>
<p>Random bullying tactic, or condescending remark, followed by....</p>
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</blockquote> YES! Thomas Bruzan said:
No…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-21:2211490:Comment:7566992013-09-21T22:33:59.235ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>YES!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Thomas Bruzan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756465#2211490Comment756620"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br></br> Not just the businesses, residences too.<br></br> <cite>william said:…</cite></p>
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<p>YES!<br/> <br/> <cite>Thomas Bruzan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756465#2211490Comment756620"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><br/> Not just the businesses, residences too.<br/> <cite>william said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=9#2211490Comment756696"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think Mark and Christine's comments are quite telling; you both have obviously never driven large trucks or had delivery/messenger jobs. You both seem out of touch. </p>
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<p>I've driven trucks and most of the time the best parking option is a compromise. If you think the city will exponentially expand the loading zones to meet the demand for every single business address that receives delivery (which is basically all of 'em), your perspective is far from the reality of the situation. </p>
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<p>If you think that making all city-wide deliveries in the middle of the night is even practical, then you're even more out of touch with the massive day-to-day operations that keep our city alive. </p>
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<p>honestly, both of you need to get off your high horse and give the workers a break. we're working as hard as we can, as fast as we can, and trying to do with with as little interruption as possible. Have some empathy. Not everyone works in a cubicle. Some people have to move heavy shit around as fast as possible. </p>
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You're eve…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-09-21:2211490:Comment:7564652013-09-21T22:33:30.993ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>Pot, meet kettle.</p>
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<p>You're even worse than I am bud.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Mark said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=9#2211490Comment756522"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>OH, Oh, Oh, Let me answer for Emperor Dug. </p>
<p>Here is how it will go... </p>
<p>Random bullying tactic, or condescending remark, followed by....</p>
<p>blah, blah, blah, I'm 100% right, you are…</p>
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<p>Pot, meet kettle.</p>
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<p>You're even worse than I am bud.<br/> <br/> <cite>Mark said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=9#2211490Comment756522"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>OH, Oh, Oh, Let me answer for Emperor Dug. </p>
<p>Here is how it will go... </p>
<p>Random bullying tactic, or condescending remark, followed by....</p>
<p>blah, blah, blah, I'm 100% right, you are completely wrong, how dare you question my supreme logic and knowledge of all things. I am LOKI, I am a god...</p>
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<p>And then Christine does an Incredible Hulk on him... "Puny god"...<br/> <br/> <cite>Christine said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A754459&page=9#2211490Comment756608"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Dug, our example situations are practically identical. In mine, there are two lanes, one of which is blocked by a delivery truck; in yours, the 'shoulder' which pretty much has room for the truck, is blocked. Your attempt to condescend with a remark on my comprehension of the situation is met with chuckles.</p>
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<p>The solution to this issue has already been stated. Currently, there are safe routes for all four parties at issue: the vehicles have a driving lane, bicyclists have a biking lane, there is a parking lane for cars, and there are loading zones for trucks within that parking lane.</p>
<p>If these loading zones are not large enough, then the delivery companies need to discuss this with the business owners on that block together with the city to figure out a better arrangement. Those zones that exist already should not be put to waste simply because they need to be a few feet (assumption) longer.</p>
<p>The only con I can think of off the top of my head to this is that those few feet might cause that block to lose a parking spot. Parking throughout the city is an ongoing problem and a huge sore spot for everyone, including people who are against biking lanes, so I don't really want to go into that part of the discussion because it will go off-topic. Personally, I don't think one lost parking spot is a huge loss. It's impossible to find a parking spot in Wicker Park anyway, with or without biking lanes, loading zones, or hell, fire hydrants.</p>
<p>This option allows for everyone on the road to be safe. Drivers don't have to worry about if/when that bicyclist in the bike lane is going to try to merge. Bicyclists don't have to worry about whether the driver sees them and if they'll let them in. It allows delivery trucks to follow the parking laws and not be in anyone's way. It allows businesses to still get their packages at the time they need them. Vehicles needing to park are taking their chances to find a spot in the first place.</p>
<p>The more <em>flow</em> we can incorporate into Chicago's streets, the better off everyone will be. Removing obstructions from all road users' paths is safest and most effective.<br/> <br/> <cite>notoriousDUG said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/double-parked-in-the-bike-lane?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A756682&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment756515"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>You're not getting it.</p>
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<p>The area that was the right side of the traffic lane where trucks double parked and cars could get around them <strong>is now the bike lane. </strong>There is no right traffic lane on many roads, they are just wide and have room for cars to sneak by a double parked truck. When the bike lanes are added if a truck were to double park outside of the bike lane it would be quite literally blocking the entire traffic lane and create an even more dangerous situation where cars would either have to pull into <span class="GINGER_SOFATWARE_spelling">oncoming</span> traffic or try to squeeze past in the what is not the bike lane; both of these are far more dangerous to them and cyclists.</p>
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<p>Double parking in that space is the best compromise solution to what is a pretty complex issue.</p>
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