Does the City of Chicago have a new approach to snow removal? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T08:49:08Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/does-the-city-have-a-new-approach-to-snow-removal?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHere's a People for Bikes blo…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-26:2211490:Comment:7832382013-12-26T20:25:14.032ZKevin C Dormanthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KevinC
<p>Here's a People for Bikes blog entry dated 12/18/13 in which Mike Amsden of CDOT is quoted. My takeaway is that the Chicago School of PBL design hadn't adequately contemplated providing for snow removal. The Blog entry is titled, "<a href="http://www.peopleforbikes.org/blog/entry/how-to-stop-snow-from-being-bike-lane-kryptonite" target="_blank">How to stop snow from being bike lane Kryptonite</a>," and is reproduced below:</p>
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<p>Here's a People for Bikes blog entry dated 12/18/13 in which Mike Amsden of CDOT is quoted. My takeaway is that the Chicago School of PBL design hadn't adequately contemplated providing for snow removal. The Blog entry is titled, "<a href="http://www.peopleforbikes.org/blog/entry/how-to-stop-snow-from-being-bike-lane-kryptonite" target="_blank">How to stop snow from being bike lane Kryptonite</a>," and is reproduced below:</p>
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<p>December 18, 2013</p>
<p><em>Michael Andersen, Green Lane Project staff writer</em></p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://peopleforbikes.org/page/-/uploads/GLP/headlight%20calgary.jpg"/><br/><em>Calgary's two-way protected bike lane last week. Photos: Tom Thivener, unless noted.</em></p>
<p>For dozens of <a href="http://www.peopleforbikes.org/blog/entry/the-10-best-protected-bike-lanes-of-2013">newly built protected bike lanes</a> across North America, it's the season for one of their hardest tests: How are cities supposed to keep the damn things plowed?</p>
<p>Though most people who never use them will never know it, many protected bike lanes are designed to a particular width not just for safe riding, but because they need to fit a maintenance vehicle.</p>
<p>"We've put in a few projects that were narrower than a pickup truck, and those are the locations that just take forever to get plowed," Chicago transportation planner Mike Amsden said in an interview.</p>
<p>Obviously that's not ideal, Amsden said, but it's the situation.</p>
<p>The need to fit maintenance vehicles in protected bike lanes is one of many factors that's driven a recent boom in two-way protected bike lane designs.</p>
<p>The design of these double lanes may be more complicated, but the maintenance is a snap.</p>
<p>"Back when we were weighing a two-way cycle track on one road or two one-way cycle tracks on two parallel roads, our maintenance guys expressed a clear preference for the two-way cycle track because of the ability to get in with standard equipment and to have one facility to maintain instead of two," said Tom Thivener, bicycle coordinator for the City of Calgary.</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://peopleforbikes.org/page/-/uploads/GLP/rear%20calgary.jpg"/></p>
<p>It's a difficult tradeoff for cities that see many days of snow in the winter: do you set an eight-foot minimum width for all protected lanes, to ensure that they can be plowed and swept promptly — but that protected lanes become much harder to build?</p>
<p>"If we increase our minimum widths, it decreases the number of locations where we can do cycle tracks," Amsden said. "Honestly, every inch counts. We're always looking for an extra six inches here, an extra foot there."</p>
<p>In a recent <a href="http://altaplanning.com/App_Content/files/ALTA_WinterBikeLaneMaintenance_WhitePaper%20(1).pdf">white paper on the subject of winter bikeway maintenance</a>, Alta Planning and Design recommends setting aside six feet of roadway for snow storage if possible, in addition to the bike lane.</p>
<p>In Calgary, which has a <a href="http://blogs.calgaryherald.com/2013/01/31/how-some-committed-cyclists-paved-the-way-for-calgarys-pathway-snow-clearing/">long history of winter biking activism</a>, the city has committed (despite <a href="http://www2.canada.com/story.html?id=7361243">some criticism</a> from <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/snow-clogged-bike-lanes-frustrate-calgary-cyclists-1.2462766">both sides</a>) to clearing the snow from its 7th Street bike lanes "within 24 hours after the snow has stopped falling," Thivener said. That's the same standard it applies to off-street paths.</p>
<p>Here's how it works: a Bobcat with a 6-foot-wide bucket picks up snow from the city's nine-foot-wide protected bike lane on 7th Street and moves it into a dump truck. A worker with a shovel comes behind to lift snow from the protection barrier and from driveways and intersections. It's labor-intensive, but effective:</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://peopleforbikes.org/page/-/uploads/GLP/bobcat%20calgary.jpg"/></p>
<p>Amsden said Chicago, meanwhile, uses a five-foot-wide Kubota tractor for its narrowest lanes:</p>
<p><img alt="" src="http://peopleforbikes.org/page/-/uploads/GLP/Kubota.jpg"/><br/><em>Photo: Mike Amsden, CDOT.</em></p>
<p>The problem with that, he said, is that in Chicago, the law requires such a vehicle to be hauled to its destinations on a flatbed and then unloaded.</p>
<p>"It is not cost efficient for multiple people to drive around the city carrying a piece of equipment," he said.</p>
<p>Where it's possible, specialized equipment may be the best option. Chicago, <a href="http://bikeportland.org/2013/11/18/meet-portlands-new-bike-path-sized-street-sweeper-97302">Portland</a> and <a href="http://www.seattlebikeblog.com/2013/11/20/seattle-will-purchase-skinny-bike-lane-sweeper-machine/">Seattle</a> have all rented or purchased 7.5-foot street sweepers that can be used on most protected bike lanes.</p>
<p>Amsden said Chicago is looking for better ways to keep the streets clear while minimizing costs through measures such as coordinating its street-cleaning efforts, which are currently <a href="http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/12/12/city-explains-gap-in-snow-removal-from-protected-bike-lanes-this-week/">divided between multiple departments</a>.</p>
<p>"Every time it snows, we learn something that we didn't know last time," he said.</p> That $2 million is for now to…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-19:2211490:Comment:7821922013-12-19T01:29:00.232ZLisa Curciohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/LisaCurcio
<p>That $2 million is for now to December 31. Could you all please stop doing the snow dance at least until after the first of the year?</p>
<p><br></br> <cite>Kevin C said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/does-the-city-have-a-new-approach-to-snow-removal?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A782183&x=1#2211490Comment782183"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is a new approach.…</p>
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<p>That $2 million is for now to December 31. Could you all please stop doing the snow dance at least until after the first of the year?</p>
<p><br/> <cite>Kevin C said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/does-the-city-have-a-new-approach-to-snow-removal?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A782183&x=1#2211490Comment782183"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>There is a new approach. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-snowfall-takes-bite-out-of-city-budget-20131218,0,1663352.story" target="_blank">The City is trying to stay within budget</a>. They have about $2 million left of budgeted snow removal funds and an additional $1.5 million or so in funds they can divert from the maintenance budget. </p>
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</blockquote> There is a new approach. The…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-19:2211490:Comment:7821832013-12-19T00:37:19.718ZKevin C Dormanthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KevinC
<p>There is a new approach. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-snowfall-takes-bite-out-of-city-budget-20131218,0,1663352.story" target="_blank">The City is trying to stay within budget</a>. They have about $2 million left of budgeted snow removal funds and an additional $1.5 million or so in funds they can divert from the maintenance budget. </p>
<p>There is a new approach. <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/clout/chi-snowfall-takes-bite-out-of-city-budget-20131218,0,1663352.story" target="_blank">The City is trying to stay within budget</a>. They have about $2 million left of budgeted snow removal funds and an additional $1.5 million or so in funds they can divert from the maintenance budget. </p> There is a form for submittin…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-18:2211490:Comment:7819372013-12-18T20:20:29.054ZTony Adamshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TonyAdams
<p>There is a form for submitting snow removal requests. There isn't a specific category for "Snow in the Forsaken by the City Bike Lane" unfortunately. I just used it to fill out a report/request about the 2200 block of Loomis, which according to the clear streets thing, hasn't been plowed at all.…</p>
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<p>There is a form for submitting snow removal requests. There isn't a specific category for "Snow in the Forsaken by the City Bike Lane" unfortunately. I just used it to fill out a report/request about the 2200 block of Loomis, which according to the clear streets thing, hasn't been plowed at all.</p>
<p><a href="https://servicerequest.cityofchicago.org/web_intake_chic/Controller?op=locform&invSRType=SDO&invSRDesc=Ice%20and%20Snow&locreq=Y&stnumreqd=Y" target="_blank">https://servicerequest.cityofchicago.org/web_intake_chic/Controller?op=locform&invSRType=SDO&invSRDesc=Ice%20and%20Snow&locreq=Y&stnumreqd=Y</a></p>
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<p>I've had mixed results with the online 311 tools, but more often than not the problems I report eventually get fixed, so let's hope it works for this problem as well.</p> The side streets in my neighb…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-17:2211490:Comment:7815412013-12-17T16:15:04.981ZRich Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/RichyRich
<p>The side streets in my neighborhood by Wrightwood and Clark haven't been plowed at all. So it's riding in the tire tracks until I get to a clear street. The side streets south of Fullerton appear to have been cleared. </p>
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<p>Last night I was riding home from Albany Park on Wilson which was clean and clear from Kimball all the way to Lincoln. School was clear from Lincoln to Clark. </p>
<p>The side streets in my neighborhood by Wrightwood and Clark haven't been plowed at all. So it's riding in the tire tracks until I get to a clear street. The side streets south of Fullerton appear to have been cleared. </p>
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<p>Last night I was riding home from Albany Park on Wilson which was clean and clear from Kimball all the way to Lincoln. School was clear from Lincoln to Clark. </p> Interesting link. It confirms…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-16:2211490:Comment:7814442013-12-16T22:23:27.649ZElihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/EliNaeher
<p>Interesting link. It confirms that many side streets near me (Kenmore between Devon and Ardmore, pretty much all of Glenwood south of Devon, and Thorndale, Elmdale, Glenlake, Hood, Highland, and Thome west of Broadway) have not been plowed at all since the snowfall late last week.</p>
<p>Interesting link. It confirms that many side streets near me (Kenmore between Devon and Ardmore, pretty much all of Glenwood south of Devon, and Thorndale, Elmdale, Glenlake, Hood, Highland, and Thome west of Broadway) have not been plowed at all since the snowfall late last week.</p> I think it's on a grid patter…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-16:2211490:Comment:7814432013-12-16T22:15:16.067ZShttps://thechainlink.org/profile/s2485df
<p>I think it's on a grid pattern where streets are designated by priority with major streets getting top priority followed by smaller streets and residential streets. <a href="http://clearstreets.org/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://clearstreets.org/</a> has a nice interface to see what streets the city plowed and when. Looking at the data, it looks like most of edgewater hasn't been touched.</p>
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<p>I think it's on a grid pattern where streets are designated by priority with major streets getting top priority followed by smaller streets and residential streets. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://clearstreets.org/" target="_blank">http://clearstreets.org/</a> has a nice interface to see what streets the city plowed and when. Looking at the data, it looks like most of edgewater hasn't been touched.</p>
<p><br/> <cite>globalguy said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/does-the-city-have-a-new-approach-to-snow-removal?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A780832&page=3#2211490Comment781589"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Kind of an obvious question but how does CDOT and other agencies w/ploughs organize the the ploughing - by street, 'hood, ward, or other geographic criteria?</p>
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</blockquote> Just saw the salt truck make…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-16:2211490:Comment:7815002013-12-16T22:08:40.496ZEssFreshhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/EssFresh
<p>Just saw the salt truck make a pass going north on Damen by the Brown line station. </p>
<p>Just saw the salt truck make a pass going north on Damen by the Brown line station. </p> Kind of an obvious question b…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-16:2211490:Comment:7815892013-12-16T22:00:49.842Zglobalguyhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/daSquareWheelman
<p>Kind of an obvious question but how does CDOT and other agencies w/ploughs organize the the ploughing - by street, 'hood, ward, or other geographic criteria?</p>
<p>Kind of an obvious question but how does CDOT and other agencies w/ploughs organize the the ploughing - by street, 'hood, ward, or other geographic criteria?</p> The buffered lane on Clybourn…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-12-16:2211490:Comment:7814392013-12-16T20:38:21.527ZAmanda Lhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AmandaL
<p>The buffered lane on Clybourn has been a mess. To get to work I usually take that to Damen, which in the past has never been cleared of snow so I haven't bothered. CTA this week it is!</p>
<p>The buffered lane on Clybourn has been a mess. To get to work I usually take that to Damen, which in the past has never been cleared of snow so I haven't bothered. CTA this week it is!</p>