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...pass on the left. Thank you. 

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Sorry Craig you must have misunderstood my comment or I wasn't clear. I roll fast and rarely deal with any of you. Some people pass me and some people I pass. I don't think I've really had any issue with "passing rules". I was just laughing that you wanted to pass on my right and get doored. More power to you.

 

My original comment was about helping each other survive. Not real concerned with interaction beyond that. It shouldn't be controversial to use common sense.
 
Craig S. said:

Are you two riders so self absorbed that you ride slow to the left not caring that others want to pass?  If not, you do not have to worry about me or anyone else passing you on the right.  If you are that self absorbed, I and other may not be vocal as we pass.


Beau Sessions said:

That's funny Lisa, I was just thinking the same thing. Help yourself kook!

Would you look at that clock. It's beer-thirty already! Time to have a cold-one with a side of bacon ;)

Craig S. said:

James, perhaps you should read what I wrote.  I just know that even you can comprehend english.  Oh, I remember, you're self-absorbed and don't care how your actions affect others, so I will pass you on the right, if I want.


James BlackHeron said:

+1 million

 Exactly. 

And I'm not riding in the door zone just so some Lancy can get by me on the left without having to get into the auto traffic lane.  The Traffic (bikes included)  from the rear that is overtaking NEVER has the right of way over the traffic in front of it that it is overtaking.  

Get used to that.  

If you want to go faster than the person you are overtaking then signal, move left & change lanes, then pass like a grown-up. It's your responsibility to make a safe pass with proper clearance -not expect them to move out of your way or ride in the door zone for your convenience. 


Lisa Curcio said:

If you want to ride between me (slow rider) and the car door, have a ball.  I will appreciate it if you will try not to get doored just as you pass me on the right, however. ;-)
 
Craig S. said:

Until all bike riders know to ride to the right because there's always someone faster behind them, I'll pass on the right whenever I want and I'll be vocal about it. Thank you.

The only people I've seen passing on the right lately are people that go on and off the gravel/grass for cyclocross training.  Myself I normally don't make any announcement and pass as widely as possible, or wait for an opening if I can't.  Any passive aggressive (or overtly aggressive; people are funny) comments are twenty feet back and growing and not worth the effort of recognition.

Crazy intersections like Fullerton, Belmont or a crowded trail are exceptions, of course.  Then I smack slower people with an open fingered glove and challenge them to a duel.

If I can pass you with a safe margin why should I need to announce it?  Are you that unpredictable a rider? 

If you're the guy who yelled 'on my left' at me on Damen today you are a complete ass because I was like 3 feet, or more, from you.


Bill Savage said:

I ride slow (10 mph average) and so get passed a lot.  When cyclists pass me on the left without warning, I always say "On MY left!" in a "F*&* You" tone of voice.  Half the time, this elicits no response; about a quarter of the time I get an apology, and the rest of the time I'm told to perform an autoerotic impossibility.  This last response especially comes from cyclists riding fast at night with no lights and dark clothes, so I don't see them in my mirror (which I check every five-ten seconds).  This is, as so many of our conversations are, really about just plain old common sense and courtesy.  And Amen to Beau Sessions's comment about the general etiquette of the road.

I am no 'Lancy.'  If I can pass you easily with a trailer behind me you really aren't at that big a risk for a really bad dooring; get over to the right.



James BlackHeron said:

+1 million

 Exactly. 

And I'm not riding in the door zone just so some Lancy can get by me on the left without having to get into the auto traffic lane.  The Traffic (bikes included)  from the rear that is overtaking NEVER has the right of way over the traffic in front of it that it is overtaking.  

Get used to that.  

If you want to go faster than the person you are overtaking then signal, move left & change lanes, then pass like a grown-up. It's your responsibility to make a safe pass with proper clearance -not expect them to move out of your way or ride in the door zone for your convenience. 


Lisa Curcio said:

If you want to ride between me (slow rider) and the car door, have a ball.  I will appreciate it if you will try not to get doored just as you pass me on the right, however. ;-)
 
Craig S. said:

Until all bike riders know to ride to the right because there's always someone faster behind them, I'll pass on the right whenever I want and I'll be vocal about it. Thank you.

Hmmm. Yup, once again i see that the biggest problems many riders have are other riders...

Most mornings i am about the only rider on my route- it's early- so the whole passing thing doesn't come up very often, even though i'm on the slower side.  i have noticed, however, that the way other riders (usually members of the racing or triathlete fraternities) treat me as they pass depends a lot on what bike i'm on.

i have a habit of wishing any passing rider "Good Morning" or "Good day" as they go by.

On my three speed or my ugly ex-mountain bike utility commuter, i barely get a grunt .

If i'm on my touring or randonneuse bike, about half of them return the greeting.

If i'm kitted up and on my road bike, many of them are almost chatty.

Go figure.

If they plough on by without by so much as a by-your-leave, especially if they do so within arm's reach,

i ring my bell.

I so plus one to this.....


This is what I have gotten really fed up with lately - people who pass within an arm's length or less without letting me know they're there. If I'm going to clock you if I signal a move to the left, you might want to let me know you're there.


mike w. said:

If they plough on by without by so much as a by-your-leave, especially if they do so within arm's reach,

i ring my bell.

Good one! 

John Wilson said:

Heh. 

I always shout a cheery, "On your right!" to cyclists who pass me on the left without a warning.

It's not uncool to be courteous, folks.


Bill Savage said:

I ride slow (10 mph average) and so get passed a lot.  When cyclists pass me on the left without warning, I always say "On MY left!" in a "F*&* You" tone of voice.  Half the time, this elicits no response; about a quarter of the time I get an apology, and the rest of the time I'm told to perform an autoerotic impossibility.  This last response especially comes from cyclists riding fast at night with no lights and dark clothes, so I don't see them in my mirror (which I check every five-ten seconds).  This is, as so many of our conversations are, really about just plain old common sense and courtesy.  And Amen to Beau Sessions's comment about the general etiquette of the road.

The point, Peter, is that it's not "unexpected" for *you* when you are passing, it's unexpected for the person in front of you, and thus creates an unneccesarily dangerous situation. Have the common sense - and decency - to announce your approach and to pass on the left. "Hold your line"? Are you serious?! - on Chicago's potholed/glassy/living streets - with Chicago drivers? You've got to be kidding me.

peter moorman said:

Come on y'all...expect the unexpected.

Its a big city ...lots of folks moving about here.

No big deal if riders don't communicate when coming around you... either side ... if your holding  your line.

Do you expect a car driver to do the same. : "On yer left biker"

And the timing now of us wearing balachlavas with our peripheral vision already compromised....

If you are paying attention you don't get passed unexpectedly.

If you are driving do you expect other motorists to announce it before they pass you?


Sarah D. said:

The point, Peter, is that it's not "unexpected" for *you* when you are passing, it's unexpected for the person in front of you, and thus creates an unneccesarily dangerous situation. Have the common sense - and decency - to announce your approach and to pass on the left. "Hold your line"? Are you serious?! - on Chicago's potholed/glassy/living streets - with Chicago drivers? You've got to be kidding me.

peter moorman said:

Come on y'all...expect the unexpected.

Its a big city ...lots of folks moving about here.

No big deal if riders don't communicate when coming around you... either side ... if your holding  your line.

Do you expect a car driver to do the same. : "On yer left biker"

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