Clarification on Lisa Kuivinen Tragedy - The Chainlink2024-03-29T14:30:27Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/clarification-on-lisa-kuivinen-tragedy?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1008914&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThank you Dave! Well said.tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-25:2211490:Comment:10107002016-08-25T17:10:28.470ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Thank you Dave! Well said.</p>
<p>Thank you Dave! Well said.</p> I have shared with Yasmeen my…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-25:2211490:Comment:10105442016-08-25T15:58:14.900ZDavid Barishhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidBarish
<p>I have shared with Yasmeen my view that the argument that we are all law breakers is a complete red herring in cases such as Lisa's. Whatever other allegedly bad cyclists may do has nothing at all to do with the need for safety and the reality that a young lady riding her bike in the bike lane was killed. This is no different from any cyclist trashing all drivers because there are drunks in BMW's and there are truck drivers who drive in bike lanes. Not all actors are bad and those bad…</p>
<p>I have shared with Yasmeen my view that the argument that we are all law breakers is a complete red herring in cases such as Lisa's. Whatever other allegedly bad cyclists may do has nothing at all to do with the need for safety and the reality that a young lady riding her bike in the bike lane was killed. This is no different from any cyclist trashing all drivers because there are drunks in BMW's and there are truck drivers who drive in bike lanes. Not all actors are bad and those bad actors do not change the arguments for us to make the streets safer for everybody.</p>
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<p>The trolls are just that, trolls. They push the public discourse away from the solutions we seek to find. Can we all do better? Duh. Even the most noble driver, rider, walker, does a dumb thing on occasion. Do we learn from this? Do we opt to do better the next time? Do we learn from our mistakes? Do we make such behavior the exception? My wife recently served on a jury in a DUI case. All the jurors who were selected had admitted that they had been behind a wheel after having a drink. Does that mean they always do so or that they do so after having more than they should have drunk? No. We are human. </p>
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<p>I think the balance that has come out of most discussions on this forum help. We will not accept blaming the cyclist as an excuse to ignore safety and ignore positive change. However, we call out to our brothers and sisters to please follow the rules of the road and be responsible citizens of the streets.</p>
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<p>The reality is that in our digital society trolls will appear to stand much taller than they are. They really are two inch plastic doofuses with colored hair. Why engage? Let's ignore them and let's take the lane policywise.</p> Having a flagman is required…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-25:2211490:Comment:10105402016-08-25T14:08:08.284ZBrendan Kevenideshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Brendan723
<p>Having a flagman is required pursuant to the terms of many construction permits issued by the city.</p>
<p>Having a flagman is required pursuant to the terms of many construction permits issued by the city.</p> Kristen, wow, you are awesome…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-25:2211490:Comment:10103492016-08-25T03:03:39.866ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
Kristen, wow, you are awesome! Thank you, and to all the others helping you pull this together! Hope to see you Saturday, September 3rd at 4pm.
Kristen, wow, you are awesome! Thank you, and to all the others helping you pull this together! Hope to see you Saturday, September 3rd at 4pm. I'll be creating a Chainlink…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-25:2211490:Comment:10105942016-08-25T03:00:31.306ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>I'll be creating a Chainlink event shortly. I'll also be sending you a PM with the proposed content for the sign. Right now I am looking into how/where to get one made like Bobby Cann's sign. </p>
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<p>I'll be creating a Chainlink event shortly. I'll also be sending you a PM with the proposed content for the sign. Right now I am looking into how/where to get one made like Bobby Cann's sign. </p>
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<p><span> </span></p> With Lisa close friends and f…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-25:2211490:Comment:10105922016-08-25T02:51:01.881ZKristen Greenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KristenGreen
With Lisa close friends and families (mothers) permission the day and time have been set.<br />
Saturday, September 3rd @4pm<br />
Sw corner of Racine and Milwaukee<br />
Yasmeen will bring sign, I will bring white bike.<br />
And hugs to any that want or need them.<br />
Lock and chain will be supplied by a friend of Lisa's who reached out to the Chicago bike selling message board to get the community's help. I obliged without hesitation.<br />
Thanks for everyones help it makes me so proud of our community.<br />
See you Saturday…
With Lisa close friends and families (mothers) permission the day and time have been set.<br />
Saturday, September 3rd @4pm<br />
Sw corner of Racine and Milwaukee<br />
Yasmeen will bring sign, I will bring white bike.<br />
And hugs to any that want or need them.<br />
Lock and chain will be supplied by a friend of Lisa's who reached out to the Chicago bike selling message board to get the community's help. I obliged without hesitation.<br />
Thanks for everyones help it makes me so proud of our community.<br />
See you Saturday sept 3rd! So as a update:
The friends…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-24:2211490:Comment:10103442016-08-24T22:59:07.829ZKristen Greenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KristenGreen
So as a update:<br />
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The friends and family are taking a few days before they would like to go through the motions.<br />
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"Awesome! I messaged my friend who was roomates with Lisa, and I think she's having a bit of a hard time right now so if it's okay, it might be a few days or just a bit longer before getting an estimated date for this. Also contacting their close friend hopefully later today"<br />
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I would love if you created the sign! Currently I have the bike now and will start painting it soon!…
So as a update:<br />
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The friends and family are taking a few days before they would like to go through the motions.<br />
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"Awesome! I messaged my friend who was roomates with Lisa, and I think she's having a bit of a hard time right now so if it's okay, it might be a few days or just a bit longer before getting an estimated date for this. Also contacting their close friend hopefully later today"<br />
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I would love if you created the sign! Currently I have the bike now and will start painting it soon! (Tomorrow when I go get a paintbrush, cause you know as a human with a mental grocery list I naturally forgot the eggs and a paint brush!<br />
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I will update when I have more information/ solid date and time of install. The day after this horrible e…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-23:2211490:Comment:10099262016-08-23T00:38:28.211ZRandumhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Randum
<p>The day after this horrible event, I saw city trucks parked in the bike lane;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6CozkW6lcI" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6CozkW6lcI</a></p>
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<p>The day after this horrible event, I saw city trucks parked in the bike lane;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6CozkW6lcI" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6CozkW6lcI</a></p>
<p></p> http://english.stackexchange.…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-22:2211490:Comment:10100052016-08-22T20:56:55.810ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
<a href="http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/45135/a-single-word-for-someone-who-is-qu" target="_blank">http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/45135/a-single-word-for-someone-who-is-qu</a> ick-to-hate-others<br />
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Contrarians, detractors, intolerants, antagonists.<br />
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I would also like to avoid labels and address an opinion of someone and just probably accept the fact that they might never ever agree with me.
<a href="http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/45135/a-single-word-for-someone-who-is-qu" target="_blank">http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/45135/a-single-word-for-someone-who-is-qu</a> ick-to-hate-others<br />
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Contrarians, detractors, intolerants, antagonists.<br />
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I would also like to avoid labels and address an opinion of someone and just probably accept the fact that they might never ever agree with me. Since you asked, I am going t…tag:thechainlink.org,2016-08-22:2211490:Comment:10098172016-08-22T19:19:21.285ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Since you asked, I am going to share my opinion on this topic. Riding our bikes makes us advocates to a certain extent. All of us that get on a bike represent cyclists whether we mean to or not. When a motorist chooses to share their opinions about cyclists e.g. "they are all law breakers" or "they should be riding on the sidewalk", I don't think it's helpful to counter it by saying they are "haters". I agree with Skip, I too think comments sections need to be moderated. there is some truly…</p>
<p>Since you asked, I am going to share my opinion on this topic. Riding our bikes makes us advocates to a certain extent. All of us that get on a bike represent cyclists whether we mean to or not. When a motorist chooses to share their opinions about cyclists e.g. "they are all law breakers" or "they should be riding on the sidewalk", I don't think it's helpful to counter it by saying they are "haters". I agree with Skip, I too think comments sections need to be moderated. there is some truly inaccurate misinformation out there and some of it is toxic. </p>
<p>We represent the cyclist community and I don't think labels like "haters" are effective in continuing an ongoing dialogue. I don't think that'll be the way to get people on our side when it comes to passing laws, educating drivers, and and making them care about our lives. </p>
<p>I would prefer to avoid labels and categories and focus on the specific topics. It makes it much easier to address when addressing an opinion rather than demonizing someone for their opinions.</p>