CDOT Chicago Bike Map Spring 2013... SUCKS!!! - The Chainlink2024-03-29T09:22:46Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708083&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think you mean "recommended…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-18:2211490:Comment:7082722013-06-18T06:10:12.120ZSteven Vancehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/stevevance
<p>I think you mean "recommended routes". These were put here by suggestions from the public and by staff. They can be added/removed at-will. Some of them are part of signed routes, but the two distinctions are not entirely contiguous across the city. </p>
<p>It's probably a good thing that some of them were removed. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Cameron 7.5 mi said:…</cite></p>
<p>I think you mean "recommended routes". These were put here by suggestions from the public and by staff. They can be added/removed at-will. Some of them are part of signed routes, but the two distinctions are not entirely contiguous across the city. </p>
<p>It's probably a good thing that some of them were removed. <br/> <br/> <cite>Cameron 7.5 mi said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A707545&page=2#2211490Comment708294"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I haven't seen this year's map yet, but I've noticed a trend the last few years of "official routes" that were terrible to ride being eliminated. Roads that were never safe to ride on are no longer shown on the map as bike routes. Humboldt Dr. is an example that comes to mind. On paper this looks like a loss of infrastructure, but was really just revising the map to match reality. There was no physical change to the streets and nothing was made better or worse for cycling. I don't know enough about the south side routes to know if this is what's happening, but it's a possibility.</p>
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</blockquote> I made my own bike map. If an…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-18:2211490:Comment:7082692013-06-18T06:08:31.621ZSteven Vancehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/stevevance
<p>I made <a href="http://bikechi.com/chicago" target="_blank">my own bike map</a>. If anyone's up for it, I would teach you how to make your own bike map. You need to know how to use a computer and you need to have some example maps that you like and be able to explain why you like them. </p>
<p>I'd also like to point out the possibility of using <a href="http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=11&lat=41.83375&lon=-87.73204&layers=B000" target="_blank">OpenCycleMap to explore bike routes…</a></p>
<p>I made <a href="http://bikechi.com/chicago" target="_blank">my own bike map</a>. If anyone's up for it, I would teach you how to make your own bike map. You need to know how to use a computer and you need to have some example maps that you like and be able to explain why you like them. </p>
<p>I'd also like to point out the possibility of using <a href="http://www.opencyclemap.org/?zoom=11&lat=41.83375&lon=-87.73204&layers=B000" target="_blank">OpenCycleMap to explore bike routes and bike shops in the city</a>. The map is based on data contributed by users to OpenStreetMap. OpenCycleMap looks at that data and then styles it to bring out the bike lanes and trails, and adds terrain contours and highlights bike shop locations. </p>
<p>Anyone can contribute to OpenStreetMap. It's like the Wikipedia of maps. </p> Charlie - Thank you for respo…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7082122013-06-17T18:49:15.750ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Charlie - Thank you for responding on this. Other than the omissions noted above, I like the look of this new map. I'll send further comments by email.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Charlie Short 11.5 said:</cite></p>
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<p>If you have feedback about the…</p>
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<p>Charlie - Thank you for responding on this. Other than the omissions noted above, I like the look of this new map. I'll send further comments by email.<br/> <br/> <cite>Charlie Short 11.5 said:</cite></p>
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<p>If you have feedback about the map, please email cdotbikes@cityofchicago.org. Bruce in particular, please send that list of critiques.</p>
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</blockquote> Bruce and Anne and everyone e…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7082042013-06-17T17:59:58.754ZCharlie Short 2.9https://thechainlink.org/profile/CharlieShort
<p>Bruce and Anne and everyone else-</p>
<p>If you have feedback about the map, please email cdotbikes@cityofchicago.org. Bruce in particular, please send that list of critiques. </p>
<p>We will actually be printing a fall version of the map and we will include a MASSIVE amount of changes, including putting bike shops back on the map; and in the future, we will be able to change a lot more of the map every 6 months, and our online version will be even more robust.</p>
<p>Thanks for your…</p>
<p>Bruce and Anne and everyone else-</p>
<p>If you have feedback about the map, please email cdotbikes@cityofchicago.org. Bruce in particular, please send that list of critiques. </p>
<p>We will actually be printing a fall version of the map and we will include a MASSIVE amount of changes, including putting bike shops back on the map; and in the future, we will be able to change a lot more of the map every 6 months, and our online version will be even more robust.</p>
<p>Thanks for your patience with the new version of the map. I'd appreciate if you do have comments that require a response to email me at the above address, so I can get the best response from our team that contributes to the map.</p>
<p>I look at the Chainlink all the time and try as best I can to incorporate suggestions and feedback in all of the work we do. I really like this version of the map, because I think we can add a lot to it, and better incorporate things that people need in a map.</p>
<p>Thank You.</p> Getting back to the new map (…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7081682013-06-17T17:13:41.261ZBruceBikeshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BruceBikes
<p>Getting back to the new map (and away from the underlying policies for selecting bike route locations), I found many omissions (beyond just bike shops) on the 2013 map compared to the 2012 map:</p>
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<li>Access points to the Lakefront Trail are no longer called out. (e.g. <em>Oak St. lakefront access via underpass.</em>)</li>
<li><em>Open Metal Grate Bridges</em> are no longer indicated.</li>
<li><em>CTA Stations with Sheltered Bike Parking </em>are no longer…</li>
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<p>Getting back to the new map (and away from the underlying policies for selecting bike route locations), I found many omissions (beyond just bike shops) on the 2013 map compared to the 2012 map:</p>
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<li>Access points to the Lakefront Trail are no longer called out. (e.g. <em>Oak St. lakefront access via underpass.</em>)</li>
<li><em>Open Metal Grate Bridges</em> are no longer indicated.</li>
<li><em>CTA Stations with Sheltered Bike Parking </em>are no longer indicated.</li>
<li>General park trails (beyond the major named trails) are no longer shown.</li>
<li>Major high schools and universities are no longer labeled. (e.g. <em>Depaul</em> or <em>Young HS</em>)</li>
<li>Beaches are no longer shown or labeled (e.g. <em>Oak Street Beach</em>)</li>
<li>Civic and cultural buildings are no longer shown (e.g. <em>Shedd</em> Aquarium or <em>Wrigley Field</em>)</li>
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<p>I have a bunch of criticisms of the new typography and layout, but I'll save those for another time.</p> I wonder ... could it be that…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7083802013-06-17T17:11:44.432ZMichael J Blanehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MichaelJBlane
<p>I wonder ... could it be that the CDOT and Divvy are connected and that CDOT (who published the map) doesn't really care about privately owned bike shops?</p>
<p>I wonder ... could it be that the CDOT and Divvy are connected and that CDOT (who published the map) doesn't really care about privately owned bike shops?</p> Yes, this affected several ma…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7081562013-06-17T16:18:20.324ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Yes, this affected several major north-south routes, some of which either have NOT been restored or have been partially restored (Vincennes).<br></br><br></br>About the planned Stony Island cycle track, my understanding was that it was longer in the planning stages due to the particular federal grant funding it. Just looked up <a href="http://www.stevencanplan.com/2011/stony-island-cycle-track-still-on-but-conflicting-reports/" target="_blank">this article</a> on the subject.<br></br><br></br>The issues…</p>
<p>Yes, this affected several major north-south routes, some of which either have NOT been restored or have been partially restored (Vincennes).<br/><br/>About the planned Stony Island cycle track, my understanding was that it was longer in the planning stages due to the particular federal grant funding it. Just looked up <a href="http://www.stevencanplan.com/2011/stony-island-cycle-track-still-on-but-conflicting-reports/" target="_blank">this article</a> on the subject.<br/><br/>The issues affecting the south side (especially major barriers such as expressways, rail lines, waterways, and industrial areas) were discussed extensively during community outreach for the Streets for Cycling 2020 plan that led to prioritization of new bike facilities. Thanks to lower population density, fewer cyclists and more of the general public (and aldermen) being clueless about transportation cycling, those of us on the south side continue to be mostly out of luck. The area from Bronzeville to Hyde Park has benefitted the most so far.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jennifer on the lake said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708063&x=1#2211490Comment707859"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Some bike lanes were removed "temporarily" for the Dan Ryan reconstruction, I recall.</div>
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</blockquote> Also there is the chicken/egg…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7080632013-06-17T13:55:19.198ZTony Adamshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TonyAdams
<p>Also there is the chicken/egg problem. Tons of people ride on the south side, but compared to the north side far, far less of us do. Less riders results in less demand for or perception of the need for bike infrastructure. But I think the lack of safe routes to ride is a large part of why there are less riders. Due to the confluence of I-55, the river and rail lines, Archer is the only even remotely direct route to/from the loop - but most of Archer is a cyclist's…</p>
<p>Also there is the chicken/egg problem. Tons of people ride on the south side, but compared to the north side far, far less of us do. Less riders results in less demand for or perception of the need for bike infrastructure. But I think the lack of safe routes to ride is a large part of why there are less riders. Due to the confluence of I-55, the river and rail lines, Archer is the only even remotely direct route to/from the loop - but most of Archer is a cyclist's nightmare. </p>
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<p>The map itself seems like an improvement generally. It would have been nice to include bike shops, but I'm not sure I ever actually used that feature of the recent editions of the bike map.</p>
<p><br/> <br/> <cite>S said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A707859&x=1#2211490Comment707965"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Its probably a combination of all three, however I do remember one of the first planned PBLs was supposed to be on Stony Island but got scrapped due to complaints from residents.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jeff Schneider said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708045&x=1#2211490Comment708099"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Why is this happening? I can think of a few possibilities, but honestly don't know how important (if at all) each one is:</p>
<p>1) south side lacks political clout;</p>
<p>2) south side lacks enough cyclists to justify infrastructure spending;</p>
<p>3) south side communities don't want cycling infrastructure, prefer cars and car parking.</p>
<p>Any south side Chainlinkers care to opine?<br/> <br/> <cite>Bruce said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708083&x=1#2211490Comment708005"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>What I find annoyingly typical is that the number of routes indicated for bikes keeps diminishing on the south side year after year after year. I don't know if I have 2013 but I have several different annual editions and the other day I was noticing that.</p>
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<p>While they are building protected and other types of bike lanes all over the north side, the south side is not only neglected by moving backwards. </p>
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</blockquote> Its probably a combination of…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7079652013-06-17T08:05:36.715ZShttps://thechainlink.org/profile/s2485df
<p>Its probably a combination of all three, however I do remember one of the first planned PBLs was supposed to be on Stony Island but got scrapped due to complaints from residents.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jeff Schneider said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708045&x=1#2211490Comment708099"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Why is this happening? I can think of a few…</p>
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<p>Its probably a combination of all three, however I do remember one of the first planned PBLs was supposed to be on Stony Island but got scrapped due to complaints from residents.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jeff Schneider said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708045&x=1#2211490Comment708099"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Why is this happening? I can think of a few possibilities, but honestly don't know how important (if at all) each one is:</p>
<p>1) south side lacks political clout;</p>
<p>2) south side lacks enough cyclists to justify infrastructure spending;</p>
<p>3) south side communities don't want cycling infrastructure, prefer cars and car parking.</p>
<p>Any south side Chainlinkers care to opine?<br/> <br/> <cite>Bruce said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/cdot-chicago-bike-map-spring-2013-sucks?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A708083&x=1#2211490Comment708005"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>What I find annoyingly typical is that the number of routes indicated for bikes keeps diminishing on the south side year after year after year. I don't know if I have 2013 but I have several different annual editions and the other day I was noticing that.</p>
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<p>While they are building protected and other types of bike lanes all over the north side, the south side is not only neglected by moving backwards. </p>
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</blockquote> What I find fascinating is th…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-06-17:2211490:Comment:7080452013-06-17T06:47:45.365ZBlatherskatehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Blather
What I find fascinating is the fact that OP cares that much about the new bike maps.<br />
Comparing it to closing public schools and the parking meter deal? This thread is a goof right?<br />
Maybe they privatized the maps too...
What I find fascinating is the fact that OP cares that much about the new bike maps.<br />
Comparing it to closing public schools and the parking meter deal? This thread is a goof right?<br />
Maybe they privatized the maps too...