Car fatally strikes bicyclist on South Side - The Chainlink2024-03-28T17:34:57Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/car-fatally-strikes-bicyclist-on-south-side?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1132294&feed=yes&xn_auth=no"The context of degrees of ce…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-23:2211490:Comment:11322022019-11-23T17:09:04.807Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>"The context of degrees of certainty or in this case, uncertainty..." </p>
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<p>Keto, save some of that rich material for gardening. And please don't take this as invitation to bloviate even more.</p>
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<p>"The context of degrees of certainty or in this case, uncertainty..." </p>
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<p>Keto, save some of that rich material for gardening. And please don't take this as invitation to bloviate even more.</p>
<p></p> Of course, but by those terms…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-22:2211490:Comment:11320852019-11-22T23:54:52.735Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>Of course, but by those terms, well, we're not really certain about the culpability of the driver who hit the cyclist then. The point, and the critique of the sun-times article is in the context of degrees of certainty or in this case, uncertainty. They seem to be standing more on the latter, which is a big deal considering the gravity of the safety matters and the money involved. </p>
<p>Of course, but by those terms, well, we're not really certain about the culpability of the driver who hit the cyclist then. The point, and the critique of the sun-times article is in the context of degrees of certainty or in this case, uncertainty. They seem to be standing more on the latter, which is a big deal considering the gravity of the safety matters and the money involved. </p> LIFE is uncertain.
tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-22:2211490:Comment:11322942019-11-22T21:32:43.768Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p><em><strong>LIFE</strong></em> is uncertain.</p>
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<p><em><strong>LIFE</strong></em> is uncertain.</p>
<p></p> One of the troubles for the S…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-22:2211490:Comment:11322922019-11-22T19:08:18.714Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p>One of the troubles for the Sun-Times and others is they have a lot of uncertainty about this, which is then tethered to a lot of someone else's money. Borrowed money, in the case of the county, state, and city hall as mentioned. Understandably, the uncertainty springs from what we've seen on Milwaukee Avenue and elsewhere. The idea of doubling down on that is bound to provoke a little hesitation. </p>
<p>For the kind of money that gets tossed around for these projects, we could staff up…</p>
<p>One of the troubles for the Sun-Times and others is they have a lot of uncertainty about this, which is then tethered to a lot of someone else's money. Borrowed money, in the case of the county, state, and city hall as mentioned. Understandably, the uncertainty springs from what we've seen on Milwaukee Avenue and elsewhere. The idea of doubling down on that is bound to provoke a little hesitation. </p>
<p>For the kind of money that gets tossed around for these projects, we could staff up a medical clinic along Stoney, buy a small bus, and give people from the neighborhood who can't cycling and maybe barely walk rides to it (these sorts of things exist in different places but not adequately). That would serve a large constituency too, and ultimately save lives as well through better primary care and prevention. </p>
<p>Or going door to door and getting rid of space heaters and giving people voucher for their heating bill instead of risking another deadly apartment fire that we see on the news every winter. (or Venture cards for a Stoney or westbound bus, and so forth)</p>
<p>Of course here we're all about cycling here, but we likewise have to be about context too when we're talking about public dollars of this scope if it's in the name of safety. So I'm not saying the Sun-Times went about it all wrong, but I get the idea that there'd be some uncertainty. </p> I am vexed by the antipathy…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-22:2211490:Comment:11321962019-11-22T16:01:45.817ZDavid Barishhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidBarish
<p>I am vexed by the antipathy to the Sun-Times editorial. that editorial advocates for more biking infrastructure such as protected lanes. There are two clauses in the sentence <em>Would protected bike lanes have prevented this year’s biking fatalities? We can’t say for sure. But greater safety is worth the investment. </em>One clause indicates that the writers of the editorial cannot state for certain that PBL's would have prevented this year's fatalities. The other clause states that…</p>
<p>I am vexed by the antipathy to the Sun-Times editorial. that editorial advocates for more biking infrastructure such as protected lanes. There are two clauses in the sentence <em>Would protected bike lanes have prevented this year’s biking fatalities? We can’t say for sure. But greater safety is worth the investment. </em>One clause indicates that the writers of the editorial cannot state for certain that PBL's would have prevented this year's fatalities. The other clause states that it doesn't matter--- we need the investment. We need the infrastructure. We need the lanes. The editorial board has done what good advocates do, it refused to make a pronouncement of fact upon which it was not sure. However, it went on to say that we still need protected lanes. Why slay our allies in an environment where we are literally fighting city hall with certain alderpeople refusing to make their wards safer. </p>
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<p>It is good to point out where such infrastructure may indeed have saved lives and point out why that is the case but the venom seems oddly misplaced to me. The editorial, imho, does not stink but is good. Could it be better? I think so. Does it advocate for the city in which we want to live and ride? I sure think so.</p> AND failure to reduce speed t…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-21:2211490:Comment:11322872019-11-21T19:11:43.707ZBob Kastigarhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BobKastigar
<p>AND failure to reduce speed to avoid a collision.</p>
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<p>Deadly consequences - and misdemeanor charges.</p>
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<p>AND failure to reduce speed to avoid a collision.</p>
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<p>Deadly consequences - and misdemeanor charges.</p>
<p></p> Please, take your anti Obama…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-21:2211490:Comment:11321902019-11-21T18:46:24.787Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>Please, take your anti Obama Presidential Center to the proper forum. But for what it's worth -- <strong>Close the Cornell Fly-By/Drive-By Expressway</strong>!</p>
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<p>Please, take your anti Obama Presidential Center to the proper forum. But for what it's worth -- <strong>Close the Cornell Fly-By/Drive-By Expressway</strong>!</p>
<p></p> clp -- 67th Street.
tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-21:2211490:Comment:11322862019-11-21T18:41:12.020Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>clp -- <em><strong>67th</strong></em> Street.</p>
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<p>clp -- <em><strong>67th</strong></em> Street.</p>
<p></p> Stony Island is unquestionabl…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-21:2211490:Comment:11322832019-11-21T18:40:13.103Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>Stony Island is unquestionably in need of an investment in bike infrastructure. However, it is highly speculative to suggest that a road diet would have made any difference in the incident on Sunday. Williams had NO business being behind the wheel -- with a suspended license AND uninsured vehicle -- and yet there she was at 1 a.m., with deadly consequences. </p>
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<p>Stony Island is unquestionably in need of an investment in bike infrastructure. However, it is highly speculative to suggest that a road diet would have made any difference in the incident on Sunday. Williams had NO business being behind the wheel -- with a suspended license AND uninsured vehicle -- and yet there she was at 1 a.m., with deadly consequences. </p>
<p></p> Would protected bike lanes ha…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-11-20:2211490:Comment:11320742019-11-20T22:13:54.123Zketoguychicagohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ketoguychicago
<p><em>Would protected bike lanes have prevented this year’s biking fatalities? We can’t say for sure.</em></p>
<p>Can't say for sure... So then do we get our money back for the CDOT special that is Milwaukee Ave? Armitage, that we no have to re-do a block away on Dickens? Elston? Clybourn? Randolph? This is a lot of uncertainty with a lot of tax money and debt spending, and with dubious results. </p>
<p>It seems we need a new paradigm, not the same approach, policy, and CDOT leadership…</p>
<p><em>Would protected bike lanes have prevented this year’s biking fatalities? We can’t say for sure.</em></p>
<p>Can't say for sure... So then do we get our money back for the CDOT special that is Milwaukee Ave? Armitage, that we no have to re-do a block away on Dickens? Elston? Clybourn? Randolph? This is a lot of uncertainty with a lot of tax money and debt spending, and with dubious results. </p>
<p>It seems we need a new paradigm, not the same approach, policy, and CDOT leadership that's driving tragedy and complaints. </p>