Woman doored on a Saturday night raises concerns about (lack of response) for cyclist - The Chainlink2024-03-29T09:12:33Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/bikelivesmatter?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A951459&feed=yes&xn_auth=nowe have a loooooooooooooooooo…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-11-08:2211490:Comment:9537852015-11-08T04:56:16.439ZJuan 2-3 or more mi.https://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnDominguez
<p>we have a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0000000000000000000000000000000ng way to go</p>
<p>we have a loooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0000000000000000000000000000000ng way to go</p> Thank you Yasmeen,
You are a…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9521422015-10-29T22:39:29.358ZJuan 2-3 or more mi.https://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnDominguez
<p>Thank you Yasmeen,</p>
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<p>You are a very good site administrator.</p>
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<p>Me... well I am just stumbling through this short life.</p>
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<p>Juan.<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35262530?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35262530?profile=original" width="160" class="align-full"/></a></p>
<p>Thank you Yasmeen,</p>
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<p>You are a very good site administrator.</p>
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<p>Me... well I am just stumbling through this short life.</p>
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<p>Juan.<a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35262530?profile=original" target="_self"><img src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35262530?profile=original" width="160" class="align-full"/></a></p> Sorry to hear about the crash…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9516532015-10-29T16:15:13.920ZActive Transportation Alliancehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/ActiveTransportationAlliance
<p>Sorry to hear about the crash you witnessed, Juan. Thanks for calling the Hotline. I checked the call log and we did receive a call Saturday night but no one left a message. Our outgoing message does recommend calling 911, filing a police report and not refusing medical treatment. But it also asks callers to leave their name and callback info so we can get back in touch if we miss you. We get lots of random calls, butt dials and telemarketing calls, so unless someone leaves a message with…</p>
<p>Sorry to hear about the crash you witnessed, Juan. Thanks for calling the Hotline. I checked the call log and we did receive a call Saturday night but no one left a message. Our outgoing message does recommend calling 911, filing a police report and not refusing medical treatment. But it also asks callers to leave their name and callback info so we can get back in touch if we miss you. We get lots of random calls, butt dials and telemarketing calls, so unless someone leaves a message with callback info we don't call back. I hope things worked out for the person you tried to help. Thanks for stopping.</p>
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<p>Crash Support Programs Manager</p> Point taken.
To the OP, Juan…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9516372015-10-29T15:47:48.536ZSteve Ghttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Steve60
<p>Point taken.</p>
<p>To the OP, Juan - It's not a matter of sensibilities, or even sensitivity, but of understanding the scope and the source of the different issues. This civil rights movement against race discrimination is a centuries old, unresolved complaint that people are being treated unequally based simply on the color of their skin, which is not a choice. (and I understate)</p>
<p>It would be difficult to prove the case that cyclists are systematically discriminated against, when we…</p>
<p>Point taken.</p>
<p>To the OP, Juan - It's not a matter of sensibilities, or even sensitivity, but of understanding the scope and the source of the different issues. This civil rights movement against race discrimination is a centuries old, unresolved complaint that people are being treated unequally based simply on the color of their skin, which is not a choice. (and I understate)</p>
<p>It would be difficult to prove the case that cyclists are systematically discriminated against, when we have seen the kinds of infrastructure changes that have occurred over the past decade. </p>
<p>The fact of cyclists' troubles not being the focus of enough attention, or the correct attention, as passionate as one may be about it (and I am), must take a back seat to more important, even urgent, cultural issues. </p>
<p>The two issues are quite different, so it's an error to appropriate the slogan of one to give value to the other. But now I'm just repeating what Yasmeen said.... </p> Yasmeen offered a pretty grea…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9516332015-10-29T15:28:15.924ZTony Adamshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TonyAdams
<p>Yasmeen offered a pretty great reply and even Maurice offered a specific suggestion. Just yelling at the OP and telling him he was wrong without explaining why does nothing to advance the conversation. We need to encourage people to discuss issues of race and power and all that, not shut them down when they are trying to express some kind of solidarity, even if their language does not suit our sensibilities.</p>
<p>Yasmeen offered a pretty great reply and even Maurice offered a specific suggestion. Just yelling at the OP and telling him he was wrong without explaining why does nothing to advance the conversation. We need to encourage people to discuss issues of race and power and all that, not shut them down when they are trying to express some kind of solidarity, even if their language does not suit our sensibilities.</p> All this made me think about…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9517232015-10-29T14:41:55.162ZdaWillinChihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JustWill
<blockquote><div class="discussion"><div class="description"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>All this made me think about how being a cyclist makes one experience the kind of hopelessness and disregard people of color receive on a daily basis.</p>
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<p>Oh no, you didn't! #sowrong </p>
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<blockquote><div class="discussion"><div class="description"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>All this made me think about how being a cyclist makes one experience the kind of hopelessness and disregard people of color receive on a daily basis.</p>
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</div> Great diplomatic response, Ya…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9518102015-10-29T14:24:35.720ZFilka Beanhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/FilkaBean
<p>Great diplomatic response, Yasmeen.</p>
<p>Great diplomatic response, Yasmeen.</p> "...being a cyclist makes one…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9514592015-10-29T12:25:35.612ZSteve Ghttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Steve60
<blockquote><p>"...being a cyclist makes one experience the kind of hopelessness and disregard people of color receive on a daily basis"</p>
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<p>Sorry, this is simply wrong on several levels. </p>
<blockquote><p>"...being a cyclist makes one experience the kind of hopelessness and disregard people of color receive on a daily basis"</p>
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<p>Sorry, this is simply wrong on several levels. </p> Juan, I know Saturday nights…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9514562015-10-29T01:40:46.364ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
Juan, I know Saturday nights are very busy with 911 calls. Was this cyclist even tended to by paramedics?
Juan, I know Saturday nights are very busy with 911 calls. Was this cyclist even tended to by paramedics? I appreciate the frustrations…tag:thechainlink.org,2015-10-29:2211490:Comment:9517842015-10-29T01:33:36.677ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>I appreciate the frustrations you went through and I appreciate your thoughtful care for the victim. That said, I don't think it is a good idea to use that hashtag for cyclists. I don't believe it's the same. Not even close. To compare our challenges to #blacklivesmatter minimizes their daily struggle and while I don't think you didn't mean to do that, I think we need to be sensitive to the importance of the issues surrounding the #blacklivesmatter movement.</p>
<p>I appreciate the frustrations you went through and I appreciate your thoughtful care for the victim. That said, I don't think it is a good idea to use that hashtag for cyclists. I don't believe it's the same. Not even close. To compare our challenges to #blacklivesmatter minimizes their daily struggle and while I don't think you didn't mean to do that, I think we need to be sensitive to the importance of the issues surrounding the #blacklivesmatter movement.</p>