Bike lanes at sidewalk grade? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T21:16:02Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/bike-lanes-at-sidewalk-grade?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A802578&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThunder Snow said:
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<p><br></br> <br></br> <cite>Thunder Snow said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/bike-lanes-at-sidewalk-grade?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A802589&x=1#2211490Comment802589"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <em>Photo by Steven Vance: …</em></p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>Thunder Snow said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/bike-lanes-at-sidewalk-grade?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A802589&x=1#2211490Comment802589"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><em>Photo by Steven Vance: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8100869325/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8100869325/</a></em></p>
<p>Some of the western sections of Evanston's Church Street cycle track run on sidewalks. This seems to work, as those areas are residential and not heavy with pedestrians. The more downtown sections, on the eastern end of the track, are all in the street.</p>
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<div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It's funny how the picture contradicts the text. I think the picture is a pretty accurate assessment of how things would turn out. </p>
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</div> Photo by Steven Vance: http:…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-11:2211490:Comment:8025892014-03-11T03:42:07.804ZThunder Snowhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Thunder_Snow
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024" width="721"></img></a> <em>Photo by Steven Vance: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8100869325/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8100869325/</a></em></p>
<p>Some of the western sections of Evanston's Church Street cycle track run on sidewalks. This seems to work, as those areas are residential and not heavy with pedestrians. The more downtown sections, on…</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/35252514?profile=RESIZE_1024x1024"/></a><em>Photo by Steven Vance: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8100869325/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamesbondsv/8100869325/</a></em></p>
<p>Some of the western sections of Evanston's Church Street cycle track run on sidewalks. This seems to work, as those areas are residential and not heavy with pedestrians. The more downtown sections, on the eastern end of the track, are all in the street.</p> A bike lane at the level of t…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-11:2211490:Comment:8025842014-03-11T01:58:31.777ZMichelle Shttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Michelle629
<p>A bike lane at the level of the sidewalk has been proposed for a short segment of Roosevelt Road from State to Columbus, as detailed in <a href="http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/09/27/cdot-reveals-plans-for-chicagos-first-raised-bike-lane-on-roosevelt-road/" target="_blank">this Streetsblog article from last September</a>. I haven't heard anything further and this is one of many projects that I hope we get an update on from the CDOT people on Wednesday at the Mayor's Bicycle Advisory…</p>
<p>A bike lane at the level of the sidewalk has been proposed for a short segment of Roosevelt Road from State to Columbus, as detailed in <a href="http://chi.streetsblog.org/2013/09/27/cdot-reveals-plans-for-chicagos-first-raised-bike-lane-on-roosevelt-road/" target="_blank">this Streetsblog article from last September</a>. I haven't heard anything further and this is one of many projects that I hope we get an update on from the CDOT people on Wednesday at the Mayor's Bicycle Advisory Council.</p> Bike lanes shared with sidewa…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-11:2211490:Comment:8025782014-03-11T01:27:16.539ZBike Blokehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PaulBacon
<p>Bike lanes shared with sidewalks at sidewalk grade are a disaster. Pedestrians simply don't pay attention once they are safe from motor vehicles. Example: think of the Lakefront Trail on a nice summer day</p>
<p>Enough said....!</p>
<p>Bike lanes shared with sidewalks at sidewalk grade are a disaster. Pedestrians simply don't pay attention once they are safe from motor vehicles. Example: think of the Lakefront Trail on a nice summer day</p>
<p>Enough said....!</p> As both Nançois and I indicat…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-08:2211490:Comment:8020062014-03-08T19:12:34.489ZSkip Montanaro 0mihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SkipMontanaro92
As both Nançois and I indicated yesterday, Kenmore and Winthrop are your friends in that neighborhood. You won't be able to ride 18 mph, but you're only a few blocks from the Loyola campus or Clark (for points further north), so it shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience.
As both Nançois and I indicated yesterday, Kenmore and Winthrop are your friends in that neighborhood. You won't be able to ride 18 mph, but you're only a few blocks from the Loyola campus or Clark (for points further north), so it shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience. Broadway/Sheridan needs a bik…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-08:2211490:Comment:8020902014-03-08T19:02:48.269ZMike Zumwalthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MikeZumwalt
<p>Broadway/Sheridan needs a bike lane PAST Thorndale. The LFP goes to Ardmore and is 2 blocks East.</p>
<p>And getting past or through Loyola now is a mess.</p>
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<p>But any new bike lanes need more than those plastic pylons for separation, the Milwaukee lane was destroyed by snow plows this winter.</p>
<p>Broadway/Sheridan needs a bike lane PAST Thorndale. The LFP goes to Ardmore and is 2 blocks East.</p>
<p>And getting past or through Loyola now is a mess.</p>
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<p>But any new bike lanes need more than those plastic pylons for separation, the Milwaukee lane was destroyed by snow plows this winter.</p> There's an example of this in…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-07:2211490:Comment:8016952014-03-07T19:10:45.455ZRobert Guicohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/RobertGuico
<p>There's an example of this in Schaumburg. Somewhere. I seem to remember taking a picture of it and thinking it was odd, and now I can't find it on Google Maps. The sidewalk is concrete, and the bike path is asphalt, and they were laid side-by-side to each other.</p>
<p>In any event it's the suburbs, so you'll never really get a feel for "how it works" at volume.</p>
<p>The larger point would be, this only works with very different surfaces, so it's clear where bikes are supposed to be, and…</p>
<p>There's an example of this in Schaumburg. Somewhere. I seem to remember taking a picture of it and thinking it was odd, and now I can't find it on Google Maps. The sidewalk is concrete, and the bike path is asphalt, and they were laid side-by-side to each other.</p>
<p>In any event it's the suburbs, so you'll never really get a feel for "how it works" at volume.</p>
<p>The larger point would be, this only works with very different surfaces, so it's clear where bikes are supposed to be, and where people are supposed to be. This type of layout leaves no room for questions: <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/@51.814572,4.681381,3a,75y,303.46h,72.28t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1smjghtV6T-LIl37oM0MDZKQ!2e0" target="_blank">[1]</a></p>
<p>But that's an arterial with no commercial buildings; not really Broadway-like. I had to look near City Hall in Dordrecht to get an idea of what a people-friendly commercial area looks like in the Netherlands: <a href="https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Netherlands/@51.814453,4.665077,3a,75y,253.88h,81.58t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sB3pk-zgYbO5xct4aGDMo7w!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x47c609c3db87e4bb:0xb3a175ceffbd0a9f" target="_blank">[2]</a></p>
<p>Now <em>that</em> looks safe for all users.</p> Ditto... Nançois 8.5 said:
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<p>Ditto...<br/> <br/> <cite>Nançois 8.5 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/bike-lanes-at-sidewalk-grade?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A801686&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment801686"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I generally just take Kenmore north and Winthrop south along that corridor.</p>
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<p>Ditto...<br/> <br/> <cite>Nançois 8.5 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/bike-lanes-at-sidewalk-grade?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A801686&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment801686"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I generally just take Kenmore north and Winthrop south along that corridor.</p>
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</blockquote> In my opinion, riding on Broa…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-07:2211490:Comment:8016862014-03-07T18:51:33.009ZNançoishttps://thechainlink.org/profile/NancyEaston
<p>In my opinion, riding on Broadway is a nightmare no matter how you slice it, and this potential re-design sounds just as bad as the current non-solution. I generally just take Kenmore north and Winthrop south along that corridor.</p>
<p>In my opinion, riding on Broadway is a nightmare no matter how you slice it, and this potential re-design sounds just as bad as the current non-solution. I generally just take Kenmore north and Winthrop south along that corridor.</p> This sounds like a horrible i…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-03-07:2211490:Comment:8015892014-03-07T17:37:14.030ZdaWillinChihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JustWill
<p>This sounds like a horrible idea.</p>
<p>Peds will think that this is just a wider sidewalk.</p>
<p>Uneducated cops will give you tickets for riding on "sidewalk" - even though it will be dismissed.</p>
<p>Cyclists will get more of a bad rap because of this.</p>
<p>This sounds like a horrible idea.</p>
<p>Peds will think that this is just a wider sidewalk.</p>
<p>Uneducated cops will give you tickets for riding on "sidewalk" - even though it will be dismissed.</p>
<p>Cyclists will get more of a bad rap because of this.</p>