Are you a vehicular cyclist or a facilitator? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T14:22:27Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A127983&feed=yes&xn_auth=nowoot! zombie halloween thread…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-11-02:2211490:Comment:7693192013-11-02T00:19:12.425ZDrewbaccahttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Drewbacca
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<p>I stop at signs if other traffic (car, bicycle, pedestrian) is present, otherwise I yield. </p>
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<p>I stop at signs if other traffic (car, bicycle, pedestrian) is present, otherwise I yield. </p> Same - just a nitpick - a yie…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-11-01:2211490:Comment:7694832013-11-01T20:45:02.473ZMichellehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Michelle770
<p>Same - just a nitpick - a yield sign does mean you yield to traffic, so saying that stops are treated as yields, it wouldn't matter if there were traffic or not. I feel like yields should just be called "proceed with caution" haha.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A769270&x=1#2211490Comment128213"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">I think that…</div>
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<p>Same - just a nitpick - a yield sign does mean you yield to traffic, so saying that stops are treated as yields, it wouldn't matter if there were traffic or not. I feel like yields should just be called "proceed with caution" haha.<br/> <br/> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A769270&x=1#2211490Comment128213"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">I think that Idaho has the right idea. Stop signs should be treated as Yield signs for cyclists when there is no other traffic. When I come to an intersection with stop signs, I will slow and and look, and yield to traffic that has the right of way unless they wave me through.<br/> <br/> I stop at red lights. I've seen so many near misses and occasional accidents involving cyclists who blow through red lights that I consider red light running to be an unsafe practice under most circumstances. Obviously if there is no other traffic in sight, it's probably not an issue.<br/> <br/> More courtesy by both cyclists and drivers would make the roads a lot safer for everyone. There's plenty of room for improvement on both sides.</div>
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</blockquote> Same here- yield at signs, st…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-11-01:2211490:Comment:7692702013-11-01T20:09:18.628ZKayCeehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/KayCeeMilitante
<p>Same here- yield at signs, stop at lights. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A127812&page=2#2211490Comment128213"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">I think that Idaho has the right idea. Stop signs should be treated as Yield signs for cyclists when there is no other traffic. When I come to an intersection with stop signs, I will slow and and look, and yield to…</div>
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<p>Same here- yield at signs, stop at lights. <br/> <br/> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A127812&page=2#2211490Comment128213"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">I think that Idaho has the right idea. Stop signs should be treated as Yield signs for cyclists when there is no other traffic. When I come to an intersection with stop signs, I will slow and and look, and yield to traffic that has the right of way unless they wave me through.<br/> <br/> I stop at red lights. I've seen so many near misses and occasional accidents involving cyclists who blow through red lights that I consider red light running to be an unsafe practice under most circumstances. Obviously if there is no other traffic in sight, it's probably not an issue.<br/> <br/> More courtesy by both cyclists and drivers would make the roads a lot safer for everyone. There's plenty of room for improvement on both sides.</div>
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</blockquote> I'm with Eric on all counts.…tag:thechainlink.org,2013-11-01:2211490:Comment:7693892013-11-01T17:59:56.113ZDean Bekkenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DeanBekken958
I'm with Eric on all counts. Including the stop at lights thing if there are girls to look at.
I'm with Eric on all counts. Including the stop at lights thing if there are girls to look at. I think that Idaho has the ri…tag:thechainlink.org,2009-10-22:2211490:Comment:1282132009-10-22T13:32:59.650ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
I think that Idaho has the right idea. Stop signs should be treated as Yield signs for cyclists when there is no other traffic. When I come to an intersection with stop signs, I will slow and and look, and yield to traffic that has the right of way unless they wave me through.<br />
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I stop at red lights. I've seen so many near misses and occasional accidents involving cyclists who blow through red lights that I consider red light running to be an unsafe practice under most circumstances. Obviously…
I think that Idaho has the right idea. Stop signs should be treated as Yield signs for cyclists when there is no other traffic. When I come to an intersection with stop signs, I will slow and and look, and yield to traffic that has the right of way unless they wave me through.<br />
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I stop at red lights. I've seen so many near misses and occasional accidents involving cyclists who blow through red lights that I consider red light running to be an unsafe practice under most circumstances. Obviously if there is no other traffic in sight, it's probably not an issue.<br />
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More courtesy by both cyclists and drivers would make the roads a lot safer for everyone. There's plenty of room for improvement on both sides. Yeah, you are correct. Anytim…tag:thechainlink.org,2009-10-22:2211490:Comment:1281702009-10-22T03:35:08.087ZVondohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Vando
Yeah, you are correct. Anytime anyone tells you how they behave and then proceed to give reasons for said behavior, they are attempting to justify their behavior. Plus, I can't get up to 35mph in 4-5 seconds like I could if I was the first car in line.<br />
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As a motorist, I sometimes would prefer cyclists to be in front of me where I can see them instead of behind or alongside where I might have a blind spot, even at a light.<br />
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Yeah, you are correct. Anytime anyone tells you how they behave and then proceed to give reasons for said behavior, they are attempting to justify their behavior. Plus, I can't get up to 35mph in 4-5 seconds like I could if I was the first car in line.<br />
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As a motorist, I sometimes would prefer cyclists to be in front of me where I can see them instead of behind or alongside where I might have a blind spot, even at a light.<br />
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<cite>Duppie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A127812&page=1#2211490Comment128013"><div><cite>Vando said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A127983&x=1#2211490Comment127896"><div>[...] I think that sometimes when I stop at a red, I slow traffic up because the cars then have to wait for me to get going and get across the street and to the right before they can proceed normally. I think sometimes that frustrates motorists more than cyclists treating red lights as stop signs.</div>
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This sounds like an attempt to justify your behavior. Just imagine you are the first car in line instead of a bicyclist. Would you consider driving thru a red light so that the cars behind you aren't slowed down by you? Didn't think so...<br/>
Besides, a true vehicular cyclist doesn't filter to the front. He takes his place in line of waiting cars ;)<br/>
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</blockquote> Do you ride in the middle of…tag:thechainlink.org,2009-10-22:2211490:Comment:1281352009-10-22T00:22:29.107ZDavohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DaveMicek
Do you ride in the middle of the road then making shure that cars are in line behind you?<br />
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<cite>Duppie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A128040&x=1#2211490Comment128013"><div><cite>Vando said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A127983&x=1#2211490Comment127896"><div>[...] I think…</div>
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Do you ride in the middle of the road then making shure that cars are in line behind you?<br />
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<cite>Duppie said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A128040&x=1#2211490Comment128013"><div><cite>Vando said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/are-you-a-vehicular-cyclist-or?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A127983&x=1#2211490Comment127896"><div>[...] I think that sometimes when I stop at a red, I slow traffic up because the cars then have to wait for me to get going and get across the street and to the right before they can proceed normally. I think sometimes that frustrates motorists more than cyclists treating red lights as stop signs.</div>
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<br/>This sounds like an attempt to justify your behavior. Just imagine you are the first car in line instead of a bicyclist. Would you consider driving thru a red light so that the cars behind you aren't slowed down by you? Didn't think so...<br/>Besides, a true vehicular cyclist doesn't filter to the front. He takes his place in line of waiting cars ;)<br/>frank</div>
</blockquote> I'm also in favor of the "Ida…tag:thechainlink.org,2009-10-21:2211490:Comment:1280402009-10-21T17:15:42.434ZBrett Ratnerhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/BrettRatner
I'm also in favor of the "Idaho Stop." Assuming I'm interpreting it correctly, it's treating a stop sign and/or light as a "yield."<br />
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So for example, you're rolling up to a stop sign and the coast is clear, you go. If you're rolling up to the same stop sign (heading southbound) and for example a westbound car gets there before you do, you stop and let the car through before you go.<br />
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This causes some awkward moments for me though because car drivers are conditioned to assume bikes are going to…
I'm also in favor of the "Idaho Stop." Assuming I'm interpreting it correctly, it's treating a stop sign and/or light as a "yield."<br />
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So for example, you're rolling up to a stop sign and the coast is clear, you go. If you're rolling up to the same stop sign (heading southbound) and for example a westbound car gets there before you do, you stop and let the car through before you go.<br />
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This causes some awkward moments for me though because car drivers are conditioned to assume bikes are going to run the stop sign. So when I stop and give a car the right of way, the car often just sits there, and I just sit there, and finally the driver waves me on and I go through the light before them anyway.<br />
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If drivers were conditioned for the Idaho stop, the car would go ahead and roll through the intersection, allowing the bicyclist to time it out so he/she doesn't have to make a complete stop. I hope this makes sense. Until there are fair and safe…tag:thechainlink.org,2009-10-21:2211490:Comment:1280362009-10-21T16:51:44.898Zjenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/jen775
Until there are fair and safe traffic routes for bikes, <i><b>I</b></i> feel like it's justified for bikes to stop and (when the coast is clear) proceed forward through red lights / stop signs. Purely, for the sake of keeping cyclists moving, getting them ahead of car traffic and off the streets a.s.a.p.<br />
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I also believe that bicyclists are, by no means, exempt from traffic etiquette -- they need to be collectively safe in their behaviors, they don't always have the right away, they have…
Until there are fair and safe traffic routes for bikes, <i><b>I</b></i> feel like it's justified for bikes to stop and (when the coast is clear) proceed forward through red lights / stop signs. Purely, for the sake of keeping cyclists moving, getting them ahead of car traffic and off the streets a.s.a.p.<br />
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I also believe that bicyclists are, by no means, exempt from traffic etiquette -- they need to be collectively safe in their behaviors, they don't always have the right away, they have responsibilities. Any suggestions on how best t…tag:thechainlink.org,2009-10-21:2211490:Comment:1280282009-10-21T15:45:15.369ZBrendan Kevenideshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Brendan723
Any suggestions on how best to move discussion of amending the Illinois motor vehicle code to allow for the "Idaho Stop" from blogs and message boards to the legislature? Who are the most bike friendly Illinois legislators who could be approached about sponsoring a bill?
Any suggestions on how best to move discussion of amending the Illinois motor vehicle code to allow for the "Idaho Stop" from blogs and message boards to the legislature? Who are the most bike friendly Illinois legislators who could be approached about sponsoring a bill?