Anyone Have details of the Suburban Cyclist that was Airlifted this AM (4/22) - The Chainlink2024-03-29T05:39:32Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A814293&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm still wondering if anyone…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-05-01:2211490:Comment:8165912014-05-01T18:42:57.120ZJulie Aberman (Hochstadter)https://thechainlink.org/profile/JulieHochstadter
I'm still wondering if anyone has set up an online fundraiser for the family.
I'm still wondering if anyone has set up an online fundraiser for the family. Yeah - this is gonna go nowhe…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-05-01:2211490:Comment:8163572014-05-01T18:09:38.448ZVildahttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Vilda
<p>Yeah - this is gonna go nowhere...</p>
<p>Yeah - this is gonna go nowhere...</p> Roselle police not providing…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-05-01:2211490:Comment:8163552014-05-01T18:06:03.073Zpsmittyhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/psmitty
Roselle police not providing any further info on case. Police referred me to their press release from 2 days after the driver killed Efrain. No word on investigation or charges, as press release has no such details.<br />
<a href="http://il-roselle.civicplus.com/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1361" target="_blank">http://il-roselle.civicplus.com/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1361</a>
Roselle police not providing any further info on case. Police referred me to their press release from 2 days after the driver killed Efrain. No word on investigation or charges, as press release has no such details.<br />
<a href="http://il-roselle.civicplus.com/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1361" target="_blank">http://il-roselle.civicplus.com/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/1361</a> Any word on charges? Anyone c…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-25:2211490:Comment:8153882014-04-25T19:00:50.643Zpsmittyhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/psmitty
Any word on charges? Anyone contact the Roselle police for their report?
Any word on charges? Anyone contact the Roselle police for their report? Another death due to turning…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-25:2211490:Comment:8152362014-04-25T18:04:49.128ZDrewbaccahttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Drewbacca
<p>Another death due to turning vehicle, this time in Indy.</p>
<p><a href="http://urbanvelo.org/cyclist-killed-in-indianapolis/" target="_blank">http://urbanvelo.org/cyclist-killed-in-indianapolis/</a></p>
<p>Another death due to turning vehicle, this time in Indy.</p>
<p><a href="http://urbanvelo.org/cyclist-killed-in-indianapolis/" target="_blank">http://urbanvelo.org/cyclist-killed-in-indianapolis/</a></p> That, of course, is a challen…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-25:2211490:Comment:8150662014-04-25T16:58:32.300ZBrendan Kevenideshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Brendan723
<p>That, of course, is a challenge in every bike case. We would deal with those issues during voir dire, picking the jury. I might ask potential jurors something like the following in order to illicit attitudes that may disqualify them from jury service:</p>
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<p><span><span>that they're just like any other driver of a vehicle. Mr. ___, which</span><br></br> <span>side do you think you're a little closer…</span></span></p>
<p>That, of course, is a challenge in every bike case. We would deal with those issues during voir dire, picking the jury. I might ask potential jurors something like the following in order to illicit attitudes that may disqualify them from jury service:</p>
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<p><span><span>that they're just like any other driver of a vehicle. Mr. ___, which</span><br/> <span>side do you think you're a little closer to?</span><br/> <br/></span></p>
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<li>People who ride bikes are entitled to the road just as much as</li>
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<p><span><span>any other driver; others think that bikes are a nuisance and should get</span><br/> <span>out of the way of cars, and if they don't, they get what's coming to</span><br/> <span>them. Mr. ___, which side do you think you're a little closer to?</span></span></p>
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<p>The rest is my job during opening and closing statements, and up to the credibility of the witnesses and other evidence.<br/> <br/> <cite>Alex Z said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A815060&x=1#2211490Comment815060"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Brendan, thank you for your strong words on this subject.</p>
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<p>I am curious if you have any insights into how "regular people" look at this. A jury of Chainlinkers would obviously agree with your sentiment, but I can imagine that jurors who don't cycle might find it hard not to put themselves in the position of the driver. Hitting and killing someone you didn't see is something of a "worst-possible scenario" for a lot of drivers, I imagine, and I would guess they'd tend to sympathize with the defense of "I looked and I didn't see him."<br/> <br/> <cite>Brendan Kevenides said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A814289&page=2#2211490Comment814693"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><em>Looking and failing to see what should be seen is no defense. It is an indictment. <br/></em></div>
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</blockquote> Brendan, thank you for your s…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-25:2211490:Comment:8150602014-04-25T16:43:53.388ZAlex Zhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/AlexZ
<p>Brendan, thank you for your strong words on this subject.</p>
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<p>I am curious if you have any insights into how "regular people" look at this. A jury of Chainlinkers would obviously agree with your sentiment, but I can imagine that jurors who don't cycle might find it hard not to put themselves in the position of the driver. Hitting and killing someone you didn't see is something of a "worst-possible scenario" for a lot of drivers, I imagine, and I would guess they'd tend to…</p>
<p>Brendan, thank you for your strong words on this subject.</p>
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<p>I am curious if you have any insights into how "regular people" look at this. A jury of Chainlinkers would obviously agree with your sentiment, but I can imagine that jurors who don't cycle might find it hard not to put themselves in the position of the driver. Hitting and killing someone you didn't see is something of a "worst-possible scenario" for a lot of drivers, I imagine, and I would guess they'd tend to sympathize with the defense of "I looked and I didn't see him."<br/> <br/> <cite>Brendan Kevenides said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A814289&page=2#2211490Comment814693"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><em>Looking and failing to see what should be seen is no defense. It is an indictment. <br/></em></div>
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</blockquote> I grew up in Roselle. Not nor…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-25:2211490:Comment:8153042014-04-25T15:41:22.951ZRobert Guicohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/RobertGuico
<p>I grew up in Roselle. Not north of Irving Park Road, but I've been an infrastructure and biking nerd for a long time, including elementary school, so I know this area very well. My parents take my toddler-aged daughter to Turner Park once in a while. (Naturally, they drive there.)</p>
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<p>I grew up in Roselle. Not north of Irving Park Road, but I've been an infrastructure and biking nerd for a long time, including elementary school, so I know this area very well. My parents take my toddler-aged daughter to Turner Park once in a while. (Naturally, they drive there.)</p>
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<li><a href="https://www.facebook.com/lpangelrob/posts/10154016499655471?stream_ref=10" target="_blank">The design of this road is terrible</a>. It is classic <a href="http://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2013/3/4/the-stroad.html" target="_blank">STROAD</a> without any of the benefits of "easy" access to businesses. </li>
<li>It is the second fatality in 20 years (that I know of). That might seem like a long timeframe, but like every other suburban county in the nation, DuPage County has engineered roads to prioritize cars over encouraging walking.</li>
<li>Given that so few people walk, and with the crashes here, even less people will choose to cross the street now. What does that do for property values? Obesity rates? Why would anyone choose to move here? From a traffic volume standpoint, this road isn't even <em>that</em> busy (~18,000 cars per day).</li>
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<p>Ironically, the village does have a decent bike route network (on-street paths + random trails in parks). But it's things like this that make owning a car necessary, and by that token, make living in the suburbs just a bit more unaffordable, beneath a certain income level.</p> OHHHHHH, so that's the trick…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-24:2211490:Comment:8150132014-04-24T22:04:15.527ZVildahttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Vilda
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<p>OHHHHHH, so that's the trick?<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jeff Schneider said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A814871&x=1#2211490Comment814871"><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>When sun/darkness makes visibility problematic, I <strong><em>slow down</em></strong>. This is clearly a secret 'trick', because I almost never see other drivers do it. Just…</p>
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<p>OHHHHHH, so that's the trick?<br/> <br/> <cite>Jeff Schneider said:</cite></p>
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when I have to drive; an…tag:thechainlink.org,2014-04-24:2211490:Comment:8149992014-04-24T20:10:32.091Zdan brownhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/danielbrown
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<p>when I have to drive; and cannot find the sunglasses and am facing a sun's glare; I become really careful to get some sunglasses and use the visor(s) (the car's and my own on my head) very effectively.</p>
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<p>RIP to the victim<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Anne Alt said:…</cite></p>
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<p>when I have to drive; and cannot find the sunglasses and am facing a sun's glare; I become really careful to get some sunglasses and use the visor(s) (the car's and my own on my head) very effectively.</p>
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<p>RIP to the victim<br/> <br/> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A814289&page=2#2211490Comment814933"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>+1<br/> <br/> <cite>h' 1.0 said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-have-details-of-the-suburban-cyclist-that-was-airlifted?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A814806&x=1#2211490Comment814806"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><em>In the various media reports about this sad event some issues have arisen that I find troubling. First, virtually every media outlet has found it necessary emphasize that the driver appears not to have been under the influence of drugs or alcohol at the time of the crash, as if that somehow abrogates his responsibility to some degree. It does not. I am not sure why there has not been more emphasis on the fact that the driver had a stop sign. Secondly, there has been some speculation (perhaps reasonable speculation) that the sun obscured the driver's vision as he traveled east on Rosemont upon his approach to the intersection. Let us assume that it did at around 6:10 a.m. yesterday. The rising sun should not have greatly affected his view left (to the north) and right (to the south). He should have been able to see Mr. Diaz-Torres despite any glare from the east. <strong>In any event, it is a fundamental rule of the road that a driver who cannot see should not proceed.</strong> Looking and failing to see what should be seen is no defense. It is an indictment. - See more at: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mybikeadvocate.com/2014/04/husband-father-of-two-killed-riding.html#sthash.ztSkPL1e.dpuf" target="_blank">http://www.mybikeadvocate.com/2014/04/husband-father-of-two-killed-...</a></em></p>
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