Anyone considering doing the #RedCupProject in Chicago? - The Chainlink2024-03-28T12:31:44Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/anyone-considering-doing-the-redcupproject-in-chicago?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1121688&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI'm trying to get some instal…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-05-02:2211490:Comment:11216882019-05-02T18:29:13.367ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>I'm trying to get some installed on median islands - slightly better visibility AND much lower chance of them getting run over.</p>
<p>I'm trying to get some installed on median islands - slightly better visibility AND much lower chance of them getting run over.</p> I respect that you don't want…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-05-02:2211490:Comment:11214652019-05-02T15:24:29.599ZPhillip Hutchinsonhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/PhillipHutchinson
<p>I respect that you don't want to <span>get into the whole protected bike lanes thing because it's not a simple issue, but </span>yet here we are. Below are my thoughts on the topic: </p>
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<p>I love shared streets. They look like this: <a href="https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/residential-shared-street/">https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/residential-shared-street/</a></p>
<p>These streets can be found in many European cities…</p>
<p>I respect that you don't want to <span>get into the whole protected bike lanes thing because it's not a simple issue, but </span>yet here we are. Below are my thoughts on the topic: </p>
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<p>I love shared streets. They look like this: <a href="https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/residential-shared-street/">https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/residential-shared-street/</a></p>
<p>These streets can be found in many European cities and areas where people prioritize walking and biking over driving. These designs are appropriate for low-volume residential streets and put cyclists and pedestrians first, and cars last. If we're talking about redesigning many of Chicago's streets to be this style of low-volume residential streets where cars rarely exceed 10-15mph, I totally agree and we should be building these everywhere we can. The reality is that most people see this as unrealistic and want some streets that can accommodate higher volumes of vehicles at faster speeds. </p>
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<p>These higher volume streets historically have been designed to prioritize motor vehicles, and are generally not comfortable places to ride a bike or walk. While some cyclists may be comfortable riding on these streets and demanding that motorists share the lane, many others (particularly kids) are not. Motorists also kill pedestrians and cyclists at alarming rates, so even those that agree and want to share lanes with cyclists are often incapable of doing so safely.</p>
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<p>The result is that higher volume streets that lack dedicated space for cyclists become barriers to biking. Many cities have attempted to address this by adding painted bike lanes, which is a cheap and quick fix. The "red cup project" aims to highlight why paint is ineffective and two responses in this thread have very succinctly illustrated why:</p>
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<li><span>Paint is "WILDLY below the line of sight for a driver" </span></li>
<li><span>Paint does nothing to prevent "drivers using the bike line for the extra road"</span></li>
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<p><span>Addressing both of these is why protected bike infrastructure is recommended for higher-volume streets: </span><a href="https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/downtown-thoroughfare/">https://nacto.org/publication/urban-street-design-guide/streets/downtown-thoroughfare/</a></p>
<p>This design provides space for higher volumes of vehicles moving at faster speeds, but also provides dedicated spaces for bikes and pedestrians that are more visible to motorists, and less tempting for them to drive and park in.</p>
<p>Protected bike lane infrastructure removes barriers to biking and makes cycling a more viable mode of transportation for all users in areas that have historically prioritized motor vehicles. Without proper bike infrastructure, most people will continue to prioritize motor vehicles as a means of transportation and therefore will continue demanding wider/higher volume roads and fewer low-volume shared streets.</p>
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<p></p> Hahaha. But seriously, poke w…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11215602019-04-30T23:19:41.246ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Hahaha. But seriously, poke with a stick much? *backs away to fade into background*</p>
<p>Hahaha. But seriously, poke with a stick much? *backs away to fade into background*</p> Hey dug, you forgot to post t…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11216412019-04-30T23:07:12.505ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
<p>Hey dug, you forgot to post this after your response. </p>
<p><strong>" STOP THE INSANITY, NO MORE BIKE LANES ! "</strong></p>
<p>Hey dug, you forgot to post this after your response. </p>
<p><strong>" STOP THE INSANITY, NO MORE BIKE LANES ! "</strong></p> You haven’t disagreed with me…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11215582019-04-30T21:53:17.888ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>You haven’t disagreed with me before so I’m going to consider this a win. :-) I’m ok if you don’t get the point I made or care to accept the context. </p>
<p>You haven’t disagreed with me before so I’m going to consider this a win. :-) I’m ok if you don’t get the point I made or care to accept the context. </p> The idea that a solo cup is a…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11215572019-04-30T21:45:53.494ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>The idea that a solo cup is a good height for visibility in a demonstration that is supposed to translate to cyclists is... silly at best.</p>
<p>The idea that a solo cup is a good height for visibility in a demonstration that is supposed to translate to cyclists is... silly at best.</p> F that special lane stuff.Pro…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11213712019-04-30T21:44:39.515ZDoug Hayneshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DougHaynes
<p>F that special lane stuff.<br/><br/>Protected bike lanes reinforce the concept that bikes only belong in certain places on certain roads.<br/><br/>It's the road; share it.</p>
<p>F that special lane stuff.<br/><br/>Protected bike lanes reinforce the concept that bikes only belong in certain places on certain roads.<br/><br/>It's the road; share it.</p> No, "drivers using the bike l…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11214142019-04-30T14:59:58.473ZDavid P.https://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidAPertuz
<p>No, "drivers using the bike line for the extra road when it is not occupied" is not at all the point of "share the road stuff." "Share the road" is a message that is directed at motor vehicle drivers and it is they who are being asked to share the road with other users. This gets to why the phrase is problematic - many people in cars take the attitude that it is always directed at someone else, not them. Towards cyclists, this often manifests as "get out of my way". This is why "bicyclists…</p>
<p>No, "drivers using the bike line for the extra road when it is not occupied" is not at all the point of "share the road stuff." "Share the road" is a message that is directed at motor vehicle drivers and it is they who are being asked to share the road with other users. This gets to why the phrase is problematic - many people in cars take the attitude that it is always directed at someone else, not them. Towards cyclists, this often manifests as "get out of my way". This is why "bicyclists have full use of lane" signs are much more effective than "share the road" signs. Bike lanes, legally, do not exist (except in a handful of cases) to keep cyclists in, but to keep motor vehicles out. </p> Arent these always getting…tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11213302019-04-30T14:46:57.844ZGage B.https://thechainlink.org/profile/GageB
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<p>Arent these always getting run over?</p>
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<p>Arent these always getting run over?</p>
<p></p> Thanks Anne :-)tag:thechainlink.org,2019-04-30:2211490:Comment:11216182019-04-30T14:38:10.307ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Thanks Anne :-)</p>
<p>Thanks Anne :-)</p>