Another Cyclist Fatality: Luster Jackson - The Chainlink2024-03-29T11:13:32Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/another-cyclist-fatality-luster-jackson?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A1103194&feed=yes&xn_auth=no+1tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-08:2211490:Comment:11031602018-08-08T23:55:49.510ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
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<p>+1</p> clp, have you ever been hit,…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-06:2211490:Comment:11032022018-08-06T21:42:01.402ZTom A.K.https://thechainlink.org/profile/TomKrystyn
<p>clp, have you ever been hit, or nearly hit, tapped/nudged by a vehicle coming up from behind in the lane you were taking? </p>
<p>clp, have you ever been hit, or nearly hit, tapped/nudged by a vehicle coming up from behind in the lane you were taking? </p> Thanks for your perspective C…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-06:2211490:Comment:11031962018-08-06T21:06:38.428ZYasmeenhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/YasmeenSchuller
<p>Thanks for your perspective Curtis. I do believe this has a lot to do with being a wide street, 4 lanes each way. It encourages speeding and makes it less safe for people that ride their bikes. If they went down to three lanes each way and added a bike lane, I believe this could have been prevented - there could have been a safety buffer between the cyclist and the doors. As I mentioned in my comments, this was multiple points of failure in which poor infrastructure and bad motorists caused…</p>
<p>Thanks for your perspective Curtis. I do believe this has a lot to do with being a wide street, 4 lanes each way. It encourages speeding and makes it less safe for people that ride their bikes. If they went down to three lanes each way and added a bike lane, I believe this could have been prevented - there could have been a safety buffer between the cyclist and the doors. As I mentioned in my comments, this was multiple points of failure in which poor infrastructure and bad motorists caused the death of a cyclist. </p>
<p>1. No bike lane on a busy street with too many lanes for traffic</p>
<p>2. Parked motorist swings door open</p>
<p>3. No buffer zone for cyclists riding next to parked cars</p>
<p>4. motorist driving on street did not provide 3 feet clearance when passing cyclist, leaving cyclist no room for error in case of being doored, avoiding potholes, etc. </p>
<p>Bike lanes and the laws meant to protect cyclists need to be followed and enforced in order to protect. </p> Read the Block Club article r…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-08-06:2211490:Comment:11031942018-08-06T19:59:21.751Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>Read the Block Club article repeatedly and I do not follow your conclusion. As I vaguely recall, there were multiple bike lane proposals. This article doesn't really go there. It simply included an illustration, in which I fail to see how Luster would have rolled into oncoming traffic in that picture. Furthermore, the description of the dooring and collision is far from conclusive. The reader is left to fill in the empty gaps in the accounting.</p>
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<p>As experienced a city cyclist as…</p>
<p>Read the Block Club article repeatedly and I do not follow your conclusion. As I vaguely recall, there were multiple bike lane proposals. This article doesn't really go there. It simply included an illustration, in which I fail to see how Luster would have rolled into oncoming traffic in that picture. Furthermore, the description of the dooring and collision is far from conclusive. The reader is left to fill in the empty gaps in the accounting.</p>
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<p>As experienced a city cyclist as anyone (14 years as a bike messenger in a past life PLUS nearly 40,000 miles in the last 4 years, mostly in the city, as a civilian), I have brass balls when it comes to riding the streets of Chicago. Personally, I don't need bike infrastructure and have qualms about many of the existing bike lanes. But bike infrastructure encourages more cycling in general, which I wholeheartedly support. Furthermore, I ride Stony. Stony is NOT for the timid. Stony <strong>needs</strong> bike lanes. And a bike lane might have saved Luster's life.</p>
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<p></p> No excuse necessary. Given th…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-07-31:2211490:Comment:11028092018-07-31T15:28:54.514Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>No excuse necessary. Given the department's abysmal /outrageous clearance rate (or should we call it the "failure rate"?) on homicide cases, I have no reason to believe that issuing citations for doorings to be a priority.</p>
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<p>No excuse necessary. Given the department's abysmal /outrageous clearance rate (or should we call it the "failure rate"?) on homicide cases, I have no reason to believe that issuing citations for doorings to be a priority.</p>
<p></p> No prob. My guess is the CPD…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-07-31:2211490:Comment:11027392018-07-31T15:21:30.535ZV Whttps://thechainlink.org/profile/vincentwaller
<p>No prob. My guess is the CPD conveniently compiles their data in a way that would make it difficult to ascertain. For example, if doorings in which CPD are called happen 1000x per year, and the officer opts to write them up as an "incident report" instead of an accident report 9 times out of 10 (which, from what I've heard and experienced, is their unofficial policy) then maybe they write up 100 doorings but it doesn't tell you about the other 900 opportunities they purposefully missed- it…</p>
<p>No prob. My guess is the CPD conveniently compiles their data in a way that would make it difficult to ascertain. For example, if doorings in which CPD are called happen 1000x per year, and the officer opts to write them up as an "incident report" instead of an accident report 9 times out of 10 (which, from what I've heard and experienced, is their unofficial policy) then maybe they write up 100 doorings but it doesn't tell you about the other 900 opportunities they purposefully missed- it doesn't give you the ratio of missed opportunities. Excuse my cynicism, but that's my 2 cents.</p> OK. Thanks, VW, for the clari…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-07-31:2211490:Comment:11026482018-07-31T15:13:53.711Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>OK. Thanks, VW, for the clarification. However, there is much we don't know about the accident since the Sun-Times article is so threadbare. We are left speculating. From whose perspective is this account of the accident based? Bystander? Moving vehicle operator? The car door perp? The dead man? How often does CPD issue violations for dooring?</p>
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<p>OK. Thanks, VW, for the clarification. However, there is much we don't know about the accident since the Sun-Times article is so threadbare. We are left speculating. From whose perspective is this account of the accident based? Bystander? Moving vehicle operator? The car door perp? The dead man? How often does CPD issue violations for dooring?</p>
<p></p> The ordinances at issue don't…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-07-31:2211490:Comment:11027372018-07-31T14:51:57.870ZV Whttps://thechainlink.org/profile/vincentwaller
<p>The ordinances at issue don't require that you actually hit a cyclist- you can get cited for opening your door when it wasn't safe to do so, and for "interfering with traffic" which is what happened here, and you can be cited for causing the bike to swerve and hit another car.</p>
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<p><strong>Chicago Ordinance 9-4-025 section c-2</strong></p>
<p><span>Any person who violates Section 9-80-035 of this Code, when such violation causes a collision between a motor vehicle and a bicycle,…</span></p>
<p>The ordinances at issue don't require that you actually hit a cyclist- you can get cited for opening your door when it wasn't safe to do so, and for "interfering with traffic" which is what happened here, and you can be cited for causing the bike to swerve and hit another car.</p>
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<p><strong>Chicago Ordinance 9-4-025 section c-2</strong></p>
<p><span>Any person who violates Section 9-80-035 of this Code, when such violation causes a collision between a motor vehicle and a bicycle, shall be subject to a fine of $1000.00 for each offense.</span></p>
<h1><span style="font-size: 10pt;">§ 9-80-035 </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Opening and closing vehicle doors</span></h1>
<p>No<span> </span><span class="dictionary">person</span><span> </span><span class="dictionary">shall</span><span> </span>open the door of a<span> </span><span class="dictionary">vehicle</span><span> </span>on the side available to moving traffic unless and until it is reasonably safe to do so, and can be done without interfering with the movement of other traffic, nor<span> </span><span class="dictionary">shall</span><span> </span>any<span> </span><span class="dictionary">person</span><span> </span>leave a door open on the side of a<span> </span><span class="dictionary">vehicle</span><span> </span>available to moving traffic for a period of time longer than necessary to<span> </span><span class="dictionary">load</span><span> </span>or unload passengers.</p> This is an aside, but it's pa…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-07-31:2211490:Comment:11026452018-07-31T14:48:31.864ZV Whttps://thechainlink.org/profile/vincentwaller
<p>This is an aside, but it's part of why I hate it when wrong way cyclists try to pass me on the right. They can see the cars coming and I can't, and they want me to veer into possible traffic (I can't see) so they don't have to. Obviously the danger of veering into traffic you can't see is very real.</p>
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<p>And yes, shame this guy died, shame there's a slap on the wrist to the driver, and apparently no consequences to the person in the parked car. And it's a shame there's hardly any…</p>
<p>This is an aside, but it's part of why I hate it when wrong way cyclists try to pass me on the right. They can see the cars coming and I can't, and they want me to veer into possible traffic (I can't see) so they don't have to. Obviously the danger of veering into traffic you can't see is very real.</p>
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<p>And yes, shame this guy died, shame there's a slap on the wrist to the driver, and apparently no consequences to the person in the parked car. And it's a shame there's hardly any news coverage of this.</p> Perhaps because the cyclist w…tag:thechainlink.org,2018-07-31:2211490:Comment:11028902018-07-31T14:15:26.570Zcurt(is) lockehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/curtismyers
<p>Perhaps because the cyclist wasn't actually struck by the parked car door?</p>
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<p>Perhaps because the cyclist wasn't actually struck by the parked car door?</p>
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