All hit & run victims deserve a story like this - The Chainlink2024-03-29T15:56:03Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?feed=yes&xn_auth=noI ran into a car the other da…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-04:2211490:Comment:2440562010-10-04T05:28:15.207ZMarco Rayoshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MarcoRayos
I ran into a car the other day riding north on Ashland just south of Division. There was abreak in traffic and as I passed the truck on my left a car pulled right in front of me turning left onto a side street. I ran straight into him going at least 20 mph. The amazing thing was I was ok. My bike slid right out from under me and I landed on my feet. The guy stopped and checked to see if I was ok. He didnt even care that I scratch up his passenger side door. I was a little shaken up but managed…
I ran into a car the other day riding north on Ashland just south of Division. There was abreak in traffic and as I passed the truck on my left a car pulled right in front of me turning left onto a side street. I ran straight into him going at least 20 mph. The amazing thing was I was ok. My bike slid right out from under me and I landed on my feet. The guy stopped and checked to see if I was ok. He didnt even care that I scratch up his passenger side door. I was a little shaken up but managed to ride away on my bike which was totally fine as well. I was so thankful. It's sad to hear about Mr. Smith and soo many others who don't make it. Gandy is a divided highway, 5…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-03:2211490:Comment:2438332010-10-03T18:03:22.851Zmillenial removing Bernie tattoohttps://thechainlink.org/profile/envanex
Gandy is a divided highway, 50 mph+, lots of traffic pulling in/out of driveways. 4th Ave is a 6 lane arterial, narrow lanes, heavy traffic during the day. Probably not as bad during the night when he's riding, but with less traffic the cars go faster. Alternate route would be to take San Martin to 1st Avenue (which I've biked myself, but only in the daytime). San Martin is low-traffic but windy and narrow in places, maybe he didn't like it? Who knows, hard to tell unless you've tried it…
Gandy is a divided highway, 50 mph+, lots of traffic pulling in/out of driveways. 4th Ave is a 6 lane arterial, narrow lanes, heavy traffic during the day. Probably not as bad during the night when he's riding, but with less traffic the cars go faster. Alternate route would be to take San Martin to 1st Avenue (which I've biked myself, but only in the daytime). San Martin is low-traffic but windy and narrow in places, maybe he didn't like it? Who knows, hard to tell unless you've tried it yourself.<br />
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St Pete is ridable because its got the old grid in place and you can take lesser roads to almost anywhere. I like taking my dad's Walmart MTB and tooling around when I'm there. Elsewhere the infrastructure is horrible, no way to get anywhere easily except by major roads. And people don't like bikes either, but the behaviour of most bikers doesn't help (i.e. teenagers in all black--no lights crossing Gandy at night nowhere near a crosswalk). Sucks the guy who gets hit is the responsible one. What exactly makes them bad?…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-03:2211490:Comment:2438202010-10-03T15:53:41.829Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
What exactly makes them bad? Narrow, fast, lots of craters to avoid?<br />
Was just wondering whether the stats were reflecting deadly infrastructure, or if maybe running cyclists off the road is a local sport.<br />
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<cite>envane x said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A243815&x=1#2211490Comment243815"><div>Man, I lived in Tampa and frequently drove this guy's commute since he lives near…</div>
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What exactly makes them bad? Narrow, fast, lots of craters to avoid?<br />
Was just wondering whether the stats were reflecting deadly infrastructure, or if maybe running cyclists off the road is a local sport.<br />
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<cite>envane x said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?page=2&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A243815&x=1#2211490Comment243815"><div>Man, I lived in Tampa and frequently drove this guy's commute since he lives near where my dad does. I know every place mentioned in the article. I didn't get into cycling until after I moved from Tampa, but even so its obvious the Tampa Bay area is terrible for cycling (except for some areas in central St. Pete). There aren't many cyclists in the Bay area and they are mostly cyclist by circumstance not choice. Gandy and 4th Ave are some of the worst streets to ride on. He could have avoided those entirely by taking backroads. Who knows.</div>
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Man, I lived in Tampa and frequently drove this guy's commute since he lives near where my dad does. I know every place mentioned in the article. I didn't get into cycling until after I moved from Tampa, but even so its obvious the Tampa Bay area is terrible for cycling (except for some areas in central St. Pete). There aren't many cyclists in the Bay area and they are mostly cyclist by circumstance not choice. Gandy and 4th Ave are some of the worst streets to ride on. He could have avoided…
Man, I lived in Tampa and frequently drove this guy's commute since he lives near where my dad does. I know every place mentioned in the article. I didn't get into cycling until after I moved from Tampa, but even so its obvious the Tampa Bay area is terrible for cycling (except for some areas in central St. Pete). There aren't many cyclists in the Bay area and they are mostly cyclist by circumstance not choice. Gandy and 4th Ave are some of the worst streets to ride on. He could have avoided those entirely by taking backroads. Who knows. Not sure about 2010, but you…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-03:2211490:Comment:2437122010-10-03T13:42:30.181ZDavidhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/David638
Not sure about 2010, but you can find per-county totals for the last few years at<br></br>
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In a nutshell, Cook County has ranged from 7 to 14 fatalities a year, or .13 to .27 per 100K. Hillsborough, FL has similar raw numbers, ranging from 4 to 11 fatalities a year, but that's a stunning .50 to .97 per 100K population. My sense is that even with the weather difference Chicago has many more…
Not sure about 2010, but you can find per-county totals for the last few years at<br/>
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In a nutshell, Cook County has ranged from 7 to 14 fatalities a year, or .13 to .27 per 100K. Hillsborough, FL has similar raw numbers, ranging from 4 to 11 fatalities a year, but that's a stunning .50 to .97 per 100K population. My sense is that even with the weather difference Chicago has many more cyclist-hours per year, but I don't know that for sure.<br/>
<br/><br/><div><cite>mike w. said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a#2211490Comment243633"><div>Six in Tampa area? For a smaller metro area, seems like a high number per capita- looks like a good place not to ride... Any stats on how many bike vs car related fatalities in Chicago and Chicago-area available for 2010? <br/> <br/></div>
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</div> Six in Tampa area? For a smal…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-02:2211490:Comment:2436332010-10-02T21:16:15.482Zmike w.https://thechainlink.org/profile/mikew
Six in Tampa area? For a smaller metro area, seems like a high number per capita- looks like a good place not to ride... Any stats on how many bike vs car related fatalities in Chicago and Chicago-area available for 2010? <br></br>
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<cite>H3N3 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A243576&x=1#2211490Comment243576"><div>I sent the author a simple "thank you" and he responded…</div>
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Six in Tampa area? For a smaller metro area, seems like a high number per capita- looks like a good place not to ride... Any stats on how many bike vs car related fatalities in Chicago and Chicago-area available for 2010? <br/>
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<cite>H3N3 said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A243576&x=1#2211490Comment243576"><div>I sent the author a simple "thank you" and he responded thusly:<br/><br/><i>We've now had six bicyclist deaths in the Tampa Bay area, including Mr. Smith's, in the last couple of months. Hope it helps, and thanks for writing.<br/>Regards,<br/>Andrew</i><br/><br/>Gives a hair more perspective on where he's coming from.</div>
</blockquote> I sent the author a simple "t…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-02:2211490:Comment:2435762010-10-02T16:19:48.387Zh' Zerocatshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/H3N3
I sent the author a simple "thank you" and he responded thusly:<br />
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<i>We've now had six bicyclist deaths in the Tampa Bay area, including Mr. Smith's, in the last couple of months. Hope it helps, and thanks for writing.<br />
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Gives a hair more perspective on where he's coming from.
I sent the author a simple "thank you" and he responded thusly:<br />
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<i>We've now had six bicyclist deaths in the Tampa Bay area, including Mr. Smith's, in the last couple of months. Hope it helps, and thanks for writing.<br />
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Andrew</i><br />
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Gives a hair more perspective on where he's coming from. I'm with ya on that iggi.…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-02:2211490:Comment:2435142010-10-02T04:58:15.963ZVildahttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Vilda
I'm with ya on that iggi.<br />
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<cite>iggi said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a#2211490Comment243351"><div>If they dont have a ghost bike program down there...it might be nice to arrange that. i would take a weekend to deliver it.</div>
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I'm with ya on that iggi.<br />
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<cite>iggi said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a#2211490Comment243351"><div>If they dont have a ghost bike program down there...it might be nice to arrange that. i would take a weekend to deliver it.</div>
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<cite>thang van ung said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A243497&x=1#2211490Comment243497"><div>i hope it is not a single piece and there will be a follow up with news of justice. there is a bizarre comment on the perpetrator's possible excuses for the not facing his/her crime -- a sentiment that is very much in the same (tasteless) vein of condescension that prompted the…</div>
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<cite>thang van ung said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/all-hit-run-victims-deserve-a?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A243497&x=1#2211490Comment243497"><div>i hope it is not a single piece and there will be a follow up with news of justice. there is a bizarre comment on the perpetrator's possible excuses for the not facing his/her crime -- a sentiment that is very much in the same (tasteless) vein of condescension that prompted the article. there is no personal shame in poverty but that is no reason or relation for justice being non-applicable and/or minimized responsibility because of lack of deep pockets. the fucked up things that people will say in hope of seeming generous... or just trolling... then again maybe just banal.</div>
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I hope you'll forgive those of us who've been following and taking stories like this one to heart for many years, who've been forced to make peace with the most likely outcome, i.e. driver never identified (which in the end is often less painful for the victim's survivors than the all-too-common story of a few hours of community service for the driver after a year or two of dragging through the courts.) i hope it is not a single pie…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-10-02:2211490:Comment:2434972010-10-02T02:13:29.762Zthang van unghttps://thechainlink.org/profile/5455368
i hope it is not a single piece and there will be a follow up with news of justice. there is a bizarre comment on the perpetrator's possible excuses for the not facing his/her crime -- a sentiment that is very much in the same (tasteless) vein of condescension that prompted the article. there is no personal shame in poverty but that is no reason or relation for justice being non-applicable and/or minimized responsibility because of lack of deep pockets. the fucked up things that people will say…
i hope it is not a single piece and there will be a follow up with news of justice. there is a bizarre comment on the perpetrator's possible excuses for the not facing his/her crime -- a sentiment that is very much in the same (tasteless) vein of condescension that prompted the article. there is no personal shame in poverty but that is no reason or relation for justice being non-applicable and/or minimized responsibility because of lack of deep pockets. the fucked up things that people will say in hope of seeming generous... or just trolling... then again maybe just banal.