Alderman Pawar discusses his proposal for a bike boulevard on Berteau - The Chainlink2024-03-29T11:49:34Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/alderman-pawar-discusses-his-proposal-for-a-bike-boulevard-on?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A513080&xg_source=msg_com_forum&feed=yes&xn_auth=no+1 Duppie said:
I am pretty…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-15:2211490:Comment:5133742012-02-15T13:50:37.561ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>+1<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Duppie said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/alderman-pawar-discusses-his-proposal-for-a-bike-boulevard-on?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A513022&x=1#2211490Comment513022"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I am pretty excited that the Lawrence road diet finally will become a reality. Together with the new Ravenswood station (and bridge) and the new commerical development, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to…</p>
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<p>+1<br/> <br/> <cite>Duppie said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/alderman-pawar-discusses-his-proposal-for-a-bike-boulevard-on?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A513022&x=1#2211490Comment513022"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I am pretty excited that the Lawrence road diet finally will become a reality. Together with the new Ravenswood station (and bridge) and the new commerical development, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to improve that corridor.</p>
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</blockquote> I am pretty excited that the…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5130222012-02-14T19:00:47.711ZDuppiehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Duppie
<p>I am pretty excited that the Lawrence road diet finally will become a reality. Together with the new Ravenswood station (and bridge) and the new commerical development, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to improve that corridor.</p>
<p>I am pretty excited that the Lawrence road diet finally will become a reality. Together with the new Ravenswood station (and bridge) and the new commerical development, it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to improve that corridor.</p> Please (re-)read the article.…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5129192012-02-14T18:57:57.435ZDuppiehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Duppie
<p>Please (re-)read the article. It pretty clearly explains why they chose Berteau<br></br> <br></br> <cite>J M said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/alderman-pawar-discusses-his-proposal-for-a-bike-boulevard-on?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A512830&x=1#2211490Comment512830"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm all for small and big changes all over the city for creating new bike/green or whatever "ways." I just don't understand how the limited…</p>
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<p>Please (re-)read the article. It pretty clearly explains why they chose Berteau<br/> <br/> <cite>J M said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/alderman-pawar-discusses-his-proposal-for-a-bike-boulevard-on?page=1&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A512830&x=1#2211490Comment512830"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'm all for small and big changes all over the city for creating new bike/green or whatever "ways." I just don't understand how the limited funds went to Berteau.</p>
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</blockquote> Thanks for sharing those vide…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5128302012-02-14T17:44:05.510ZJ Mhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JM
<p>Thanks for sharing those video's Anne. Many of the examples that were shown in those videos used existing wide streets that allowed for parking on either side and ample room for car traffic with bike traffic. Berteau isn't really set up like that. So it is hard for me to envision how that could work on a street like Berteau. Further those videos describe the linking nature of these new systems to other existing (or future) ones, while having chosen a street that is short, narrow and dead…</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing those video's Anne. Many of the examples that were shown in those videos used existing wide streets that allowed for parking on either side and ample room for car traffic with bike traffic. Berteau isn't really set up like that. So it is hard for me to envision how that could work on a street like Berteau. Further those videos describe the linking nature of these new systems to other existing (or future) ones, while having chosen a street that is short, narrow and dead ends at the river or dumps you off on bike friendly Irving Park.</p>
<p>I'm all for small and big changes all over the city for creating new bike/green or whatever "ways." I just don't understand how the limited funds went to Berteau.</p> Since neighborhood greenways…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5130852012-02-14T17:30:01.794ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>Since neighborhood greenways will be built only on side streets (and protected bike lanes will only be going in on commercial/main streets) I asked CDOT bike planner Mike Amsden if Leland (4700 N.) or Grace (3800 N.) would be better alternatives to Berteau (4200 N.) since Leland and Grace connect to the lakefront. Mike explained the drawbacks of those streets and the advantages of Berteau in this interview:…</p>
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<p>Since neighborhood greenways will be built only on side streets (and protected bike lanes will only be going in on commercial/main streets) I asked CDOT bike planner Mike Amsden if Leland (4700 N.) or Grace (3800 N.) would be better alternatives to Berteau (4200 N.) since Leland and Grace connect to the lakefront. Mike explained the drawbacks of those streets and the advantages of Berteau in this interview:</p>
<p><a href="http://gridchicago.com/2012/are-the-upcoming-streets-for-cycling-projects-in-good-locations/" target="_blank">http://gridchicago.com/2012/are-the-upcoming-streets-for-cycling-projects-in-good-locations/</a></p>
<p></p> Do you understand the concept…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5129112012-02-14T17:21:25.359ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Do you understand the concept of a bike boulevard or neighborhood greenway? This treatment intended for <em>quiet residential streets</em> and does NOT involve bike lanes. <br></br><br></br>It's a relatively new concept, unfamiliar to most people. Bike boulevard is the earlier name for it. Recently, some places have started calling it a neighborhood greenway, where it's also intended to create a safer zone for pedestrians.</p>
<p><br></br>Please take a look at this …</p>
<p>Do you understand the concept of a bike boulevard or neighborhood greenway? This treatment intended for <em>quiet residential streets</em> and does NOT involve bike lanes. <br/><br/>It's a relatively new concept, unfamiliar to most people. Bike boulevard is the earlier name for it. Recently, some places have started calling it a neighborhood greenway, where it's also intended to create a safer zone for pedestrians.</p>
<p><br/>Please take a look at this <a href="http://www.portlandonline.com/transportation/index.cfm?c=50518&a=348902" target="_blank">info from Portland</a> and <a href="http://www.streetfilms.org/berkeley-bike-boulevards/" target="_blank">this from Berkeley</a> about the kinds of changes used to create a boulevard/greenway.</p>
<p></p> I should be writing an update…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5130842012-02-14T17:20:14.077ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>I should be writing an update about the Stone Bridge in the near future. Last I checked, the new alderman Debra Silverstein expressed interest in building it and CDOT was doing a feasibility study.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
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<p>I should be writing an update about the Stone Bridge in the near future. Last I checked, the new alderman Debra Silverstein expressed interest in building it and CDOT was doing a feasibility study.<br/> <br/> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/alderman-pawar-discusses-his-proposal-for-a-bike-boulevard-on?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A513080&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2211490Comment512825"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><em>I think age has something to do with it.</em><br/><br/>Absolutely. I think his age and education are significant factors in shaping his ideas on transportation. <br/><br/>Don't even get me started about the Stone age in the 50th ward. Hopefully things will improve there in the near future.</p>
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</blockquote> I find it perplexing that Ber…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5130802012-02-14T16:59:12.684ZJ Mhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JM
<div>I find it perplexing that <span class="J-JK9eJ-PJVNOc" style="background: yellow;">Berteau</span> has been chosen for any kind of bike routing through that area. It is quite a narrow street to begin with and traffic flows (mostly) in both directions with little room for anyone. As mentioned, it would also be a rather short route. Are they going to be removing the already limited parking spaces for this improvement? I know most people here don't care about losing parking spaces for bike…</div>
<div>I find it perplexing that <span style="background: yellow;" class="J-JK9eJ-PJVNOc">Berteau</span> has been chosen for any kind of bike routing through that area. It is quite a narrow street to begin with and traffic flows (mostly) in both directions with little room for anyone. As mentioned, it would also be a rather short route. Are they going to be removing the already limited parking spaces for this improvement? I know most people here don't care about losing parking spaces for bike lanes. But this is a neighborhood with many <span style="background: yellow;" class="J-JK9eJ-PJVNOc">mulit</span>-unit dwellings and finding parking is never easy for the working peoples. Perhaps it was wisely chosen because it would make life easier for <span style="background: yellow;" class="J-JK9eJ-PJVNOc">Rahmbo</span> to start biking to work? He is right around the corner from there.</div>
<div><br/>Personally, I would have appreciated the money going towards making <span style="background: yellow;" class="J-JK9eJ-PJVNOc">Montrose</span> more bike friendly. It connects much more of that neighborhood to to other areas than <span style="background: yellow;" class="J-JK9eJ-PJVNOc">Berteau</span> does. Or the Alderman could have lined his streets with more city installed bike racks.</div> I think age has something to…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-14:2211490:Comment:5128252012-02-14T16:56:33.426ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p><em>I think age has something to do with it.</em><br/><br/>Absolutely. I think his age and education are significant factors in shaping his ideas on transportation. <br/><br/>I'm also encouraged by what I've heard about Arena in the 45th. I had an opportunity to speak with him a few months and was impressed with his vision for transportation in the 45th ward.<br/><br/>Don't even get me started about the Stone age in the 50th ward. Hopefully things will improve there in the near future.</p>
<p><em>I think age has something to do with it.</em><br/><br/>Absolutely. I think his age and education are significant factors in shaping his ideas on transportation. <br/><br/>I'm also encouraged by what I've heard about Arena in the 45th. I had an opportunity to speak with him a few months and was impressed with his vision for transportation in the 45th ward.<br/><br/>Don't even get me started about the Stone age in the 50th ward. Hopefully things will improve there in the near future.</p> I agree. And with all due res…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-02-13:2211490:Comment:5127062012-02-13T23:09:44.846ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>I agree. And with all due respect to older, wiser Chainlink members, and speaking as (hopefully) a future senior citizen, I think age has something to do with it. Pawar is only 31 and he grew up with the notions that sustainable transportation and green technology are good things. Whereas elderly 50th Ward alderman Berny Stone probably stayed in office too long, so that he crankily put the kibosh on the North Shore Channel Trail bike bridge:…</p>
<p>I agree. And with all due respect to older, wiser Chainlink members, and speaking as (hopefully) a future senior citizen, I think age has something to do with it. Pawar is only 31 and he grew up with the notions that sustainable transportation and green technology are good things. Whereas elderly 50th Ward alderman Berny Stone probably stayed in office too long, so that he crankily put the kibosh on the North Shore Channel Trail bike bridge: <a href="http://gridchicago.com/2011/will-the-new-50th-ward-alderman-build-the-bike-bridge-berny-blocked/" target="_blank">http://gridchicago.com/2011/will-the-new-50th-ward-alderman-build-the-bike-bridge-berny-blocked/</a></p>