A note from a bike messenger to all you commuters - The Chainlink2024-03-28T18:01:36Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A465193&feed=yes&xn_auth=noduncle
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don't feed the tr…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-11:2211490:Comment:4652382011-10-11T16:06:04.061Zin it to win it 8.0 mihttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Skip
<p>duncle</p>
<p>dbag</p>
<p>don't feed the troll</p>
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<p>duncle</p>
<p>dbag</p>
<p>don't feed the troll</p>
<p> </p> I don't care to take part in…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-11:2211490:Comment:4652862011-10-11T03:18:26.597ZHollyhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/HollyRhode
<p>I don't care to take part in this conversation because I've never wanted to emulate a messenger's style of riding. I'll do my best to stay out of your way, and please don't hit me, either. It sounds to me like you're really worried about hitting other cyclists and pedestrians. Thank you for that. </p>
<p>And thank you for this hilarity:</p>
<p>"poop in the pants pace."</p>
<p>I hope to have occasion to use this phrase soon. Be safe. Stay funny.</p>
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<p>I don't care to take part in this conversation because I've never wanted to emulate a messenger's style of riding. I'll do my best to stay out of your way, and please don't hit me, either. It sounds to me like you're really worried about hitting other cyclists and pedestrians. Thank you for that. </p>
<p>And thank you for this hilarity:</p>
<p>"poop in the pants pace."</p>
<p>I hope to have occasion to use this phrase soon. Be safe. Stay funny.</p>
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<p><span> </span></p> He has a few, yes a few valid…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-11:2211490:Comment:4652782011-10-11T01:01:22.152ZMike Zumwalthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/MikeZumwalt
<p>He has a few, yes a few valid points but most of it is preachy doasItellyouI'mbetterthanyoustaythehell outtamyway. I say STFU and mind your own business.</p>
<p>Somehow by using the rational of being a "professional" entitles him to break the law in order to make money, so that would hold true for cabbies, delivery drivers, ceo's of corporations, and anybody else that wants to.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Lieb said:…</cite></p>
<p>He has a few, yes a few valid points but most of it is preachy doasItellyouI'mbetterthanyoustaythehell outtamyway. I say STFU and mind your own business.</p>
<p>Somehow by using the rational of being a "professional" entitles him to break the law in order to make money, so that would hold true for cabbies, delivery drivers, ceo's of corporations, and anybody else that wants to.<br/> <br/>
<cite>David Lieb said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?x=1&id=2211490%3ATopic%3A463688&page=4#2211490Comment465193"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Sounds a bit like "shoot the messenger". </p>
<p>Folks, you might not like what he has to say, but he does make some valid points and he is a professional. Does that make running red lights ok? No more than for the rest of us, but then I have long since given up trying to tell other people how to act. Ya know the line about teaching a pig to sing? (It wastes your time and annoys the pig.) Don't be offended by the way he tells you to ride more predictably and less aggressively, just do it. And BTW be glad you are biking in the City of Chicago. It has come a long way and it is way ahead of the surrounding areas. I live in Des Plaines and commute down Northwest Highway; Chicago streets (not counting downtown where I have very little experience) are much friendlier!</p>
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</blockquote> Hi, Original Poster here, I a…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4652042011-10-10T22:00:27.329Zyour dunclehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/yourduncle
<p><span>Hi, Original Poster here, I appreciate the help from the people who understand. Also, I appreciate the wishes for safety. But I am not exactly that worried about the increased backlash from drivers. It’s more worrisome to think of rolling through a green light and having another biker attempt to cut through the intersection in front of me and as a result I get into an accident because he/she thought he/she would follow “my example” at some point down the…</span></p>
<p><span>Hi, Original Poster here, I appreciate the help from the people who understand. Also, I appreciate the wishes for safety. But I am not exactly that worried about the increased backlash from drivers. It’s more worrisome to think of rolling through a green light and having another biker attempt to cut through the intersection in front of me and as a result I get into an accident because he/she thought he/she would follow “my example” at some point down the line.</span></p>
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<p><span>So yeah, do what I am telling you and don’t follow my example. Better yet, don’t follow me in traffic either and think you are going to race me or whatever. I find holes for myself, not for you too. Ride the way you need in order to get where you are going. But calculate, don’t follow. </span></p>
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<p><span>Some of you were clearly insulted. Like you are god’s gift to urban cycling or something. Get over it. I am an asshole, I love it. I hear that all day long. And I still like my job, I take pride in what I do, and I do it well. What’s your excuse? Where did I attack you and say that you can’t ride for crap? Don’t you realize that there will always be people better than you at what you do no matter who you are?* Is it my conceit or your jealousy that’s putting you in tunnel vision mode? </span></p>
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<p><span>Sure bike messengers are the problem, along with the jaywalkers, and the distracted/incompetent drivers etc. DUH! But for some of you, I can see the foam frothing at the edge of your mouth as soon as someone mentions something about a bike messenger. Here watch: bike messenger, bicycle messenger, courier, biker, messenger, bike messenger. Feel your lip. See, told you. Foam. </span></p>
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<p><span>So maybe share why you ran a red light and how did it make you feel? Do you remember the first one? </span></p>
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<p><span>*except Air Jordan, of course.</span></p>
<div><span><br/></span></div> I hope you never forget a len…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4651402011-10-10T21:55:10.317Zyour dunclehttps://thechainlink.org/profile/yourduncle
I hope you never forget a lens at a hotel. <br></br>
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<cite>Michael Brosilow said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A463688&page=5#2211490Comment465199"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Just as obsolete. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>David Lieb said:…</cite><br></br>
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I hope you never forget a lens at a hotel. <br/>
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<cite>Michael Brosilow said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A463688&page=5#2211490Comment465199"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">Just as obsolete. <br/> <br/>
<cite>David Lieb said:</cite><br/>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?page=5&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A464957&x=1#2211490Comment464957"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">But they have lasted far longer than the Pony Express did.</div>
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</blockquote> But they have lasted far long…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4649572011-10-10T21:24:30.760ZDavid Liebhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidLieb
But they have lasted far longer than the Pony Express did.
But they have lasted far longer than the Pony Express did. I prefer Bill and Ted's more…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4649542011-10-10T20:40:12.057ZJohn Greenfieldhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnGreenfield
<p>I prefer Bill and Ted's more positive corollary:</p>
<p>"Be excellent to each other."</p>
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<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A463688&page=2#2211490Comment463967"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This applies to pretty much everything:</p>
<p>Rule #1: Don't be a douche.</p>
<p>It's just that simple.</p>
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<p>I prefer Bill and Ted's more positive corollary:</p>
<p>"Be excellent to each other."</p>
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<cite>monkey said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/a-note-from-a-bike-messenger-to-all-you-commuters?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A463688&page=2#2211490Comment463967"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This applies to pretty much everything:</p>
<p>Rule #1: Don't be a douche.</p>
<p>It's just that simple.</p>
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</blockquote> Well said.David Lieb said:
So…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4651942011-10-10T20:37:32.414ZSteve Courtrighthttps://thechainlink.org/profile/SteveCourtright
Well said.<br></br><br></br><cite>David Lieb said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Sounds a bit like "shoot the messenger". </p>
<p>Folks, you might not like what he has to say, but he does make some valid points and he is a professional. Does that make running red lights ok? No more than for the rest of us, but then I have long since given up trying to tell other people how to act. Ya know the line about teaching a pig to sing? (It wastes your time and annoys the pig.) Don't…</p>
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Well said.<br/><br/><cite>David Lieb said:</cite>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Sounds a bit like "shoot the messenger". </p>
<p>Folks, you might not like what he has to say, but he does make some valid points and he is a professional. Does that make running red lights ok? No more than for the rest of us, but then I have long since given up trying to tell other people how to act. Ya know the line about teaching a pig to sing? (It wastes your time and annoys the pig.) Don't be offended by the way he tells you to ride more predictably and less aggressively, just do it. And BTW be glad you are biking in the City of Chicago. It has come a long way and it is way ahead of the surrounding areas. I live in Des Plaines and commute down Northwest Highway; Chicago streets (not counting downtown where I have very little experience) are much friendlier!</p>
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</blockquote> Sounds a bit like "shoot the…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4651932011-10-10T20:34:51.649ZDavid Liebhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/DavidLieb
<p>Sounds a bit like "shoot the messenger". </p>
<p>Folks, you might not like what he has to say, but he does make some valid points and he is a professional. Does that make running red lights ok? No more than for the rest of us, but then I have long since given up trying to tell other people how to act. Ya know the line about teaching a pig to sing? (It wastes your time and annoys the pig.) Don't be offended by the way he tells you to ride more predictably and less aggressively, just do it.…</p>
<p>Sounds a bit like "shoot the messenger". </p>
<p>Folks, you might not like what he has to say, but he does make some valid points and he is a professional. Does that make running red lights ok? No more than for the rest of us, but then I have long since given up trying to tell other people how to act. Ya know the line about teaching a pig to sing? (It wastes your time and annoys the pig.) Don't be offended by the way he tells you to ride more predictably and less aggressively, just do it. And BTW be glad you are biking in the City of Chicago. It has come a long way and it is way ahead of the surrounding areas. I live in Des Plaines and commute down Northwest Highway; Chicago streets (not counting downtown where I have very little experience) are much friendlier!</p> Uh, No. Just No.
pjc jr said…tag:thechainlink.org,2011-10-10:2211490:Comment:4649942011-10-10T20:17:55.732ZThunder Snowhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Thunder_Snow
<p><br/>Uh, No. Just No.</p>
<p><br/><cite>pjc jr said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Know for sure if I see a messanger I will run them over...</p>
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<p><br/>Uh, No. Just No.</p>
<p><br/><cite>pjc jr said:</cite></p>
<blockquote><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Know for sure if I see a messanger I will run them over...</p>
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