Good routes through south side? - The Chainlink2024-03-29T14:22:55Zhttps://thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A503508&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI hope to see a good turnout…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-25:2211490:Comment:5059612012-01-25T17:55:03.749ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>I hope to see a good turnout at <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" target="_blank">tonight's Streets for Cycling 2020 meeting</a>. There are plenty of areas that could use your ideas for improvement.</p>
<p>I hope to see a good turnout at <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" target="_blank">tonight's Streets for Cycling 2020 meeting</a>. There are plenty of areas that could use your ideas for improvement.</p> I know that you are speaking…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-24:2211490:Comment:5059982012-01-24T22:01:09.629ZNight Owlhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/muppets
<p>I know that you are speaking in generalities, but it's still worth noting that Damen Ave. is likely not a good candidate for a road diet. In the strictest sense of the word, a road diet refers to a reduction in travel lane width for other purposes - so, Damen Ave. already underwent a road diet when its current bike lanes were installed. If you are talking about removing on-street parking on Damen though, that is obviously another story but not necessarily a road diet. </p>
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<p>I know that you are speaking in generalities, but it's still worth noting that Damen Ave. is likely not a good candidate for a road diet. In the strictest sense of the word, a road diet refers to a reduction in travel lane width for other purposes - so, Damen Ave. already underwent a road diet when its current bike lanes were installed. If you are talking about removing on-street parking on Damen though, that is obviously another story but not necessarily a road diet. </p>
<p><cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A1291&page=3#2211490Comment503252"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>On streets like Damen, I think that a road diet treatment (such as replacing regular bike lanes with protected lanes and adding bumpouts) could be much more effective than adding more stop signs.</p>
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</blockquote> Excellent! John Wirtz said:…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-23:2211490:Comment:5054972012-01-23T15:43:06.416ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>Excellent!<br></br> <br></br> <cite>John Wirtz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A505274&x=1#2211490Comment505274"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'll be there.<br></br><br></br><cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A1291&page=3#2211490Comment505023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I hope that…</p>
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<p>Excellent!<br/> <br/> <cite>John Wirtz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A505274&x=1#2211490Comment505274"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I'll be there.<br/><br/><cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A1291&page=3#2211490Comment505023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I hope that plenty of you, and anyone you know who rides on the south side, will be coming to Wednesday's <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">south side meeting for Streets for Cycling 2020</a>.</p>
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</blockquote> I'll be there.Anne Alt said:…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-22:2211490:Comment:5052742012-01-22T00:36:35.197ZJohn Wirtzhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnWirtz
<p>I'll be there.<br></br><br></br><cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A1291&page=3#2211490Comment505023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I hope that plenty of you, and anyone you know who rides on the south side, will be coming to Wednesday's <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">south side meeting for…</a></p>
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<p>I'll be there.<br/><br/><cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?id=2211490%3ATopic%3A1291&page=3#2211490Comment505023"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I hope that plenty of you, and anyone you know who rides on the south side, will be coming to Wednesday's <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">south side meeting for Streets for Cycling 2020</a>.</p>
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</blockquote> I hope that plenty of you, an…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-21:2211490:Comment:5050232012-01-21T19:29:57.830ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>I hope that plenty of you, and anyone you know who rides on the south side, will be coming to Wednesday's <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" target="_blank">south side meeting for Streets for Cycling 2020</a>.</p>
<p>I hope that plenty of you, and anyone you know who rides on the south side, will be coming to Wednesday's <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" target="_blank">south side meeting for Streets for Cycling 2020</a>.</p> I agree! Anne Alt said:
I a…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-18:2211490:Comment:5035082012-01-18T04:21:15.434ZTony Adamshttps://thechainlink.org/profile/TonyAdams
<p>I agree! <br/> <br/> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A503252&x=1#2211490Comment503252"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I agree. We've reached a point where many areas of the city have TOO many stop signs, and many drivers are opting to ignore them. </p>
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<p>I agree! <br/> <br/> <cite>Anne Alt said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A503252&x=1#2211490Comment503252"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I agree. We've reached a point where many areas of the city have TOO many stop signs, and many drivers are opting to ignore them. </p>
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</blockquote> I agree. We've reached a poi…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-17:2211490:Comment:5032522012-01-17T21:57:48.251ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>I agree. We've reached a point where many areas of the city have TOO many stop signs, and many drivers are opting to ignore them. On streets like Damen, I think that a road diet treatment (such as replacing regular bike lanes with protected lanes and adding bumpouts) could be much more effective than adding more stop signs.<br></br><br></br>The intersection in front of my house is a great example of stop sign fatigue. We used to have a 2-way stop at the intersection of our 2-way streets (one a…</p>
<p>I agree. We've reached a point where many areas of the city have TOO many stop signs, and many drivers are opting to ignore them. On streets like Damen, I think that a road diet treatment (such as replacing regular bike lanes with protected lanes and adding bumpouts) could be much more effective than adding more stop signs.<br/><br/>The intersection in front of my house is a great example of stop sign fatigue. We used to have a 2-way stop at the intersection of our 2-way streets (one a minor street, the other a half-mile street), and drivers were flying through on the minor street, which then had no stop signs for almost 1/2 mile. Some of us asked the alderman if we could get a 4-way stop.<br/><br/>At rush hour, most drivers stop or slow down to 5-10 mph. At other times of day, when traffic is fairly light, some drivers stop, but as many as half only slow down a little, or don't slow down at all. Our half-mile street has stop signs at every intersection. The intersecting street has stop signs at about half the intersections between Longwood Dr. and Western, mostly closer to Western. Many nearby intersections have either 2-way or 4-way stops. <br/><br/>Too many drivers blow through most of the intersections, expecting everyone else to be watching out for them. Our section of the neighborhood does not have any center islands in intersections. The section of the neighborhood south of 99th has several, and drivers are forced to slow down to navigate those intersections. I think we'd see lower speeds if we had a center island instead of the 4-way stop at our intersection.<br/> <br/> <cite>John Wirtz said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291?page=3&commentId=2211490%3AComment%3A503308&x=1#2211490Comment503308"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>Please no more stop signs.<br/> <br/> <cite>vxla said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291#2211490Comment10618"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">There is NO reason to put a bike lane on Western; it is an arterial street that should only have cars, buses and trucks. Somewhere, a line needs to be drawn where bike lanes are put. It makes more sense to divert heavy car traffic onto streets like Western, and then slow traffic on Damen to a more manageable speed (by putting bump-outs in, adding more stop signs, traffic lights, and other proven technology).<br/> <br/> I'm all for bike friendly routes, but I'd rather not mix faster moving traffic with slow moving multimodal traffic. That's a recipe for disaster.<br/> See the book "Suburban Nation" for more information on such devices.</div>
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</blockquote> Please no more stop signs. v…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-17:2211490:Comment:5033082012-01-17T16:50:59.555ZJohn Wirtzhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JohnWirtz
<p>Please no more stop signs.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>vxla said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291#2211490Comment10618"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">There is NO reason to put a bike lane on Western; it is an arterial street that should only have cars, buses and trucks. Somewhere, a line needs to be drawn where bike lanes are put. It makes more sense to divert heavy car traffic onto streets like Western, and then slow traffic on Damen to a…</div>
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<p>Please no more stop signs.<br/> <br/> <cite>vxla said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.thechainlink.org/forum/topics/2211490:Topic:1291#2211490Comment10618"><div><div class="xg_user_generated">There is NO reason to put a bike lane on Western; it is an arterial street that should only have cars, buses and trucks. Somewhere, a line needs to be drawn where bike lanes are put. It makes more sense to divert heavy car traffic onto streets like Western, and then slow traffic on Damen to a more manageable speed (by putting bump-outs in, adding more stop signs, traffic lights, and other proven technology).<br/> <br/> I'm all for bike friendly routes, but I'd rather not mix faster moving traffic with slow moving multimodal traffic. That's a recipe for disaster.<br/> See the book "Suburban Nation" for more information on such devices.<br/> <br/> As for commentary on the neighborhood, everyone makes a choice on where they want to live. I knew that by living in Oak Park for years I'd have Austin as insulation from the rest of the city, but it was something I learned to deal with.</div>
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</blockquote> I'd like to invite anyone who…tag:thechainlink.org,2012-01-17:2211490:Comment:5030242012-01-17T15:08:05.813ZAnne Althttps://thechainlink.org/profile/Anne91
<p>I'd like to invite anyone who rides on the south side to a couple of Streets for Cycling 2020 meetings this week and next.<br></br><br></br>If you ride on the far south side (south of 87th, west of I-94), please come to <a href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-public-meeting-in-beverly" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">tonight's meeting in Beverly</a>. It's close to the 95th St. Metra stop on the Rock Island, so it's easily accessible from downtown, Bronzeville and…</p>
<p>I'd like to invite anyone who rides on the south side to a couple of Streets for Cycling 2020 meetings this week and next.<br/><br/>If you ride on the far south side (south of 87th, west of I-94), please come to <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-public-meeting-in-beverly" target="_blank">tonight's meeting in Beverly</a>. It's close to the 95th St. Metra stop on the Rock Island, so it's easily accessible from downtown, Bronzeville and Bridgeport. It's also close to 95th St. bus routes 95W and 381 if you're coming from outside the neighborhood.<br/><br/>For the whole south side, there's a bigger meeting at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thechainlink.org/events/streets-for-cycling-2020-plan-south-side-public-meeting" target="_blank">Woodson Library next Wednesday 1/25</a>, with a presentation and an opportunity to talk with planners. <strong>I've included public transit info in the comments for that meeting.</strong><br/><br/>Note that there are <em>links in the event description for both events</em> on how to share your ideas online if you are unable to attend one of the public meetings.</p> Thanks Anne, that's great inf…tag:thechainlink.org,2010-08-27:2211490:Comment:2279732010-08-27T03:41:48.015ZJim Behymerhttps://thechainlink.org/profile/JimBehymer
Thanks Anne, that's great information! Especially the Damen->California->Damen workaround, I'll more than likely use that in the next week or two.<br />
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This evening, I rode the LFP south past Marquette, jumped off at 71st rather than follow the shore southeast out of my way, took Yates down to 83rd, 83rd back over to Damen, Damen down to 87th, took the Major Taylor trail for a few blocks, long enough to pick up Longwood, which I took down to 115th and then did my usual route through Blue…
Thanks Anne, that's great information! Especially the Damen->California->Damen workaround, I'll more than likely use that in the next week or two.<br />
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This evening, I rode the LFP south past Marquette, jumped off at 71st rather than follow the shore southeast out of my way, took Yates down to 83rd, 83rd back over to Damen, Damen down to 87th, took the Major Taylor trail for a few blocks, long enough to pick up Longwood, which I took down to 115th and then did my usual route through Blue Island and Robbins. It was a nice ride but added 8 or 10 miles that I could have done without after work.