To the "cyclist" who knocked my friend off her Divvy bike on the lakefront path.

She has a very large cuts on her face, her legs, she might have a concussion. Her nice dress and boots are ruined. She was shaken up pretty bad but she's determined to keep riding her bike dispite how nasty you were and blamed her.

And the first thing she said to you was "Are you okay?"

 

You make me embarrased to be a cyclist.

 

I know exactly who you are, burning ass down the trail like you own it. Agressively passing with a sense of entitlement. Too smug to bother to call out "on your left." I used to be just like you until I realized that the lake front path is not the place to train for a triathalon.

 

Slow the hell down and be nice to people!

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on October 8, 2013 at 7:23am

Your first paragraph is exactly my point.  We need more details before blaming anyone at all; all we know from the original post is that his friend on a Divvy bike and somebody passing her were involved in a collision.  The OP is pretty derisive about people who go fast and/or pass on the path but how do we know it was their fault?  It annoys me that the OP is speaking ill of somebody when there are no details about it.

Are they a jerk for bolting?  Last summer when somebody ran into me on their bike I called them an asshole and bolted, was it wrong of me not to care if the guy who ran into me was hurt?

Liz said:

I'd like more details before we decide to blame somebody just for being on a road bike a hippy...

Also why are you getting so hot headed defending an unknown person for being a jerk.  By just bolting they're definitely being a jerk, that much we can establish. 


notoriousDUG said:

If your friend made a un-signaled turn without shoulder checking or made a swerve more than a couple of feet over without checking over her shoulder then she may have deserved being disrespected.  2 years ago some hippie with headphones in swerved WAY off his line to go around a pot hole while I was overtaking him on Milwaukee and It hink I was totally in the right to give him an earful.


Paul O said:

It would be interesting to get the whole story. But the other cyclist fled the scene. In my opinion the details are irrelevant to this post. I know what my friend said, and I know what I've seen on the path. I don't feel the least bit confused about my assesment of the situation. Is it possible my friend make mistakes? Oh yeah. Did she deserve to be disrespected like that?

 

 

 

Permalink Reply by JeffB on October 8, 2013 at 7:40am

I'd like to hear more details on this.  If you were overtaking him, isn't it your responsibility to make sure its safe to do so?  Did you call out "on your left"?  Did you give him 3 feet clearance?  Doesn't he have the right to avoid a dangerous pothole, sometimes with little notice (hence the 3 foot rule)?

notoriousDUG said:

 2 years ago some hippie with headphones in swerved WAY off his line to go around a pot hole while I was overtaking him on Milwaukee and It hink I was totally in the right to give him an earful.



Permalink Reply by Liz on October 8, 2013 at 7:57am


This board loves to complain about it, because there are a lot of jerks who pass very dangerously on the lakefront path.  AT LEAST once every time I ride the path I either have a close call with someone passing very closely or see a rider getting cut off by someone determined to get through a congested area too quickly for conditions.  

Does fast equate asshole, no.  Does everyone who goes "fast" present a danger, no.  BUT in congested areas of the path there are often people going too fast for CONDITIONS.  And passing others with little considerations.  Maybe these people have some justification for their annoyance (riding 2 across, weaving, whatever) but its generally on the passing vehicle to make sure conditions allow for safe passing.  

I avoid the LFP in the summer unless its early morning, because I do not like being slowed down waiting for groups of pedestrians and slower riders.  There are many alternative routes that going faster on present less danger to others.  I like riding fast, its really fun, that's why I put on lycra and take my fancy road bike out on rides, I just don't do it on the LFP. 

I don't care how "careful" you think you are, everyone has done something asshole-ish at one time of another (I know I have).  

Will G - 10mi said:

The board LOVES to complain about people going too fast (read that as faster than them), especially on the LFT. Fast does not equal dangerous, necessarily, nor does is equal asshole behavior.

Just give some context, OP. Did fast guy run into her while she was riding perfectly straight, did fast guy pass too close and startle her off the bike, did fast guy pass too close and run her into a water fountain, did fast guy punch her in the face as he went by? Or did fast guy run into your friend after she made a sudden unsignaled turn? Or whatever.


 

Permalink Reply by Liz on October 8, 2013 at 8:01am


yes.

can we just let the OP vent about someone being a jerk to his friend and go drink beer and eat pizza now? 

notoriousDUG said:

Are they a jerk for bolting?  Last summer when somebody ran into me on their bike I called them an asshole and bolted, was it wrong of me not to care if the guy who ran into me was hurt?

Permalink Reply by Michelle Loomis on October 8, 2013 at 8:17am

I almost agree with dug on this one. In an era obsessed with lawsuits people will tell the police anything and try to sue you for just about anything these days. Somebody's child ran into my wheel on the LFP a few years ago. I turned around and the kid was sitting up and crying and the mom was right there... I left as it seemed like a lawsuit waiting to happen even though I did nothing wrong.

OK pizza and beer time.


Liz said:


yes.

can we just let the OP vent about someone being a jerk to his friend and go drink beer and eat pizza now? 

notoriousDUG said:

Are they a jerk for bolting?  Last summer when somebody ran into me on their bike I called them an asshole and bolted, was it wrong of me not to care if the guy who ran into me was hurt?

Permalink Reply by XndeX on October 8, 2013 at 9:00am

"can we just let the OP vent about someone being a jerk to his friend and go drink beer and eat pizza now? "
Liz I like that idea!
Sometimes that is all a person wants to do is vent plain and simple.

I'll eat anything on my pizza except anchovies!

Permalink Reply by Skip Montanaro 0mi on October 8, 2013 at 9:14am

After work Friday???

Permalink Reply by Apie (11) on October 8, 2013 at 9:35am

DUG is what some call a troll on other forums:

 

A troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people

 

OP, Im sorry to hear about your friend, I hope she heals quickly.  Some of the cyclists on the LFP are straight up dangerous. 

Permalink Reply by Tom Dworzanski on October 8, 2013 at 11:08am

Sorry this happened to your friend. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's not always easy to know how to react. It seems to me the most appropriate way to act in the situation is to make sure she is okay, then to arrest his bicycle so he can't leave, and finally to call the police. Doing that would allow for the wrongful party to be cited appropriately. It may also help with making sure all the liability issues can be settled.

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on October 8, 2013 at 11:11am

They swerved about 2 feet to their left, I had rung my bell several times but, you know, headphones. 

JeffB (7+ miles) said:

I'd like to hear more details on this.  If you were overtaking him, isn't it your responsibility to make sure its safe to do so?  Did you call out "on your left"?  Did you give him 3 feet clearance?  Doesn't he have the right to avoid a dangerous pothole, sometimes with little notice (hence the 3 foot rule)?

notoriousDUG said:

 2 years ago some hippie with headphones in swerved WAY off his line to go around a pot hole while I was overtaking him on Milwaukee and It hink I was totally in the right to give him an earful.



Permalink Reply by pceasy on October 8, 2013 at 11:57am

I have a feeling this will be a topic that will be on the front page for years. 

Permalink Reply by Tom Dworzanski on October 8, 2013 at 2:05pm

As you like to say h', "maybe your Google isn't working?" No problem, I'll help you out.

ah-rest
verb (used with object)
1. to seize (a person) by legal authority or warrant; take into custody: The police arrested the burglar.
2. to catch and hold; attract and fix; engage: The loud noise arrested our attention.
3. to check the course of; stop; slow down: to arrest progress.
4. Medicine/Medical . to control or stop the active progress of (a disease): The new drug did not arrest the cancer.
noun
5. the taking of a person into legal custody, as by officers of the law.
6. any seizure or taking by force.
7. an act of stopping or the state of being stopped: the arrest of tooth decay.
8. Machinery . any device for stopping machinery; stop.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/arrest


h' 1.0 said:


Say what now?
Tom Dworzanski said:

Sorry this happened to your friend. Hindsight is 20/20 and it's not always easy to know how to react. It seems to me the most appropriate way to act in the situation is to make sure she is okay, then to arrest his bicycle so he can't leave, and finally to call the police. Doing that would allow for the wrongful party to be cited appropriately. It may also help with making sure all the liability issues can be settled.

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