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Bike Thief PHOTO: stealing Red Specialized @ 165 N Canal 9/23

Forwarded from a friend. She wasn't able to do enough to stop him, but did get a photo of a man stealing a bike across from 165 N Canal.

Apparently, he took the tire off the bike that was locked via ulock to a pole, put a new one on and rode away.

Stray Observations:

  1. Pass this on to people you know who had a bike (or tire) stolen yesterday. Perhaps it will bring them joy, anger, closure or all of the above.
  2. PLEASE LOCK YOUR BIKE BETTER. Holy crap people. Resource: http://www.activetrans.org/commute/tricks-tips/parking
  3. He obviously stole a front tire from another bike and then helped himself which totally settles the "what the hell do these people do with one tire"question I've always had.
  4. Memorize this face and if you see him walking around with a bike part, call the police and start yelling at him so people will start looking. (Insert warning about being REALLY SURE THIS IS THE SAME PERSON - the missing front teeth and glasses are helpful.)
  5. Please don't do the chainlink troll thing and yell about my friend not chaining herself to the bike and pulling a batman on this crook. You weren't there, you don't know my friend and until you earn some sincere bike thief vigilante street cred - shut up.

Sorry if # 4 was ugly or presumptuous. I'm just tired of the non constructive discussions and honestly don't have time for it.

BOO BIKE THIEVES!

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Permalink Reply by Josh L. on September 25, 2013 at 11:19pm

What fascinates me about the photo is evidently the age of this guy. Based on film of guys who stole my previous bike, and the wonderful  6 juveniles who were caught removing my wheel this summer on the LFP at Wilson, I assumed bike thieves were disproportionately on the younger side,,,say 30 and younger. This guy looks older than that.  

As noted, his approach of stealing another tire to grab this bike is also really interesting. 

Permalink Reply by Skip Montanaro 0mi on September 26, 2013 at 7:51am



jolondon30 said:

As noted, his approach of stealing another tire to grab this bike is also really interesting. 

Which makes the "I don't need to lock my front wheel, just the back and the frame" approach a bit suspect. You might be not only risking losing your front wheel, but helping promote the theft of someone's bike nearby who thought locking the front wheel up real well would deter theves.

Permalink Reply by El Dorado on September 26, 2013 at 12:02pm

You people advocating for shooting a bike thief probably always want marijuana legalized. It's insane what this city is coming to. We need less guns and pot not more.

Permalink Reply by We all have an inner Beast... on September 26, 2013 at 6:25pm
No offense....but...who the hell plays hide-n-seek with a flippin gun ? Much less a loaded gun !
So, the guy's stupid girfriend plays with a loaded gun and shoots him...another flippin genius.
The other guy gets shot due to road rage...I guess he was not aggravating the driver that shot him? I bet he kept cutting the guy off, or speeding up to not let him get in front of him. (Granted, I don't think that is a reason to get upset...I just let people get in front of me all the time...except when I'm riding my bike, Lol !)
Either way, to those that think that pepper spray is going to stop something...think again. The thief may already have a gun (since only the criminals can carry one around these daggum parts) and just may feel that you have "assaulted" them and may just shoot to defend themselves. Or maybe the thief is allergic to the pepper spray or has some COPD/bronchial/breathing issues and dies from your pepper spray....all over a bike?
Now, as a retired military guy, I know that during my 23 yrs in 2 branches of the military, that there are people on this planet that should not be trusted to chew gum because they might swallow it and choke to death...much less be allowed ANYWHERE near a weapon of any sorts. That being said, a properly trained individual with a weapon can make a "bad guy" think twice about what they were about to do.
Now mind you, you will very rarely hear about an off-duty law enforcement officer even get involved in any issue, much less in any issue that could have him/her brandishing their weapon. So, take that into account.
So now you all can start the barrage of criticism of my comments....but remember, I never said gun when I made my suggestions, only in my sarcastic comments towards the person that grew up in TX.
A gun is just another tool that people choose to misuse. You can be killed by a bat, axe, chain saw, car, brick, kicked to death, punched in the wrong/right place, knife (kitchen, folding, hunting, box cutter, straight razor, fixed blade, survival, etc..), screwdrivers, scissors (remember not to run with them), nail gun, hammer, bottle (both broken or whole), various types of ropes or wires, and of course while riding our bikes, walking down stairs, falling out of windows or off of porches, flying in a n aircraft, on and on and on and on......
It is up to the user/operator to use common sense and some thought while using/operating the tool. (Like a wood chipper)
If you plan to do harm to someone, and are serious enough about it, you will find a way.
When you go through a firearms class, you learn to see what is around the target, what is in front of and what is behind the target. You HAVE to know what is down range BEFORE you send a round out. It's not something that everyone will be able to do. It's a huge responsibility. Not to be taken lighty.
Lethal Force is only authorized if your life or the life of someone else is at risk. Not the theft of a bicycle or even a car.
THAT is the first thing that should be going through someone's mind.
To stop this guy, I would probably have used a rolled up Redeye (the one with all the inserts...lol!)
Btw, he has done this type of stuff at other buildings in the downtown area. People please learn to secure your bicycles better, and call CPD if you see it going on. If you can get people's attention, do it ! It may stop him.

Rebecca said:

I grew up in Texas. lots of guns......I personally knew several people that died due to gun violence/mistakes. If I was a teenager in the South Side, this list would probably be a lot longer.

RIP friends

  • Thomas, 13 - shot in the head while playing hide and go seek with his 4 year old brother. He was consistently 5th chair in the trumpet section of our band.
  • Dustin, 16 - shot in the face by his girlfriend who was joking about the gun not being loaded. He was on the pep squad.
  • Jeremy, 18 - shot in a road rage incident on highway 75 when he and another car kept cutting each other off, would have gone to the funeral - but it was on 9/11. He was awesome at technical theater.

I think I'd totally be for guns if their weren't so many undeserving, unintended, innocent victims out there.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/11/guns-child-dea...

Permalink Reply by Josh L. on September 26, 2013 at 9:37pm

agreed..I get lazy and dont lock my front tire,,especially if the rack is crowded.  But now I se how this could enable more crime.  

Skip Montanaro 12mi said:



jolondon30 said:

As noted, his approach of stealing another tire to grab this bike is also really interesting. 

Which makes the "I don't need to lock my front wheel, just the back and the frame" approach a bit suspect. You might be not only risking losing your front wheel, but helping promote the theft of someone's bike nearby who thought locking the front wheel up real well would deter theves.

Permalink Reply by S on September 26, 2013 at 11:37pm



We all have an inner Beast... said:

No offense....but...who the hell plays hide-n-seek with a flippin gun ? Much less a loaded gun !
Well, according to her post, it was a 4 year old kid that did the shooting.  He probably got the gun somehow and didn't understand what it was or how dangerous it could be.  Not either kid's fault, I'd say the parents were to blame for leaving a gun, much less a loaded one, somewhere that their kids could get to.

So, the guy's stupid girfriend plays with a loaded gun and shoots him...another flippin genius.
Yeah, the girl might be an idiot but that's not the guy's fault.  

A gun is just another tool that people choose to misuse. You can be killed by a bat, axe, chain saw, car, brick, kicked to death, punched in the wrong/right place, knife (kitchen, folding, hunting, box cutter, straight razor, fixed blade, survival, etc..), screwdrivers, scissors (remember not to run with them), nail gun, hammer, bottle (both broken or whole), various types of ropes or wires, and of course while riding our bikes, walking down stairs, falling out of windows or off of porches, flying in a n aircraft, on and on and on and on......
The other methods would kill someone but it's a lot harder to kill or be killed by a bat or axe than it is with a gun.

If you plan to do harm to someone, and are serious enough about it, you will find a way.
When you go through a firearms class, you learn to see what is around the target, what is in front of and what is behind the target. You HAVE to know what is down range BEFORE you send a round out. It's not something that everyone will be able to do. It's a huge responsibility. Not to be taken lighty.

Yes, people will find another way to do harm without a firearm.  But it's a lot harder to kill someone or go on a rampage if you're using a knife or a bat or some other implement.  Firearms provide an easy way to quickly maim or kill someone at a distance without much effort.  
People may have been taught to see what's around a target and checking what's downrange but doing that on a shooting range is a lot different than doing that in stressful situation that doesn't have the ideal visual conditions.  And I doubt many people train to be able to accurately assess the situation and fire in a controlled manner when under stress and in less than ideal conditions. 
Permalink Reply by Bill Nedza on September 27, 2013 at 8:51am

I agree using pepper spray (or similar) is the best idea, but in Chicago there are limitations, see below. Personally, if someone tries to steal my bike a well-placed kick between the legs or a solid punch to the face would be my preferred way of dealing with the issue.

ILLINOIS:  Legal with restrictions.  The use of Pepper Spray is legal for carrying by a person 18 years of age or older. In the City of Chicago    (a) No person shall use any device to discharge a noxious gas or liquid in an enclosed room in any Class C-1 or Class C-2 Assembly Unit, as defined in Chapter 13-56 of this Code, or in an enclosed room in any restaurant, bar or tavern that is a Class F Assembly Unit as defined in that chapter, if more than 20 persons are present in that room, unless the person is a peace officer, as defined in Section 8-20-30* of this Code, engaged in law enforcement activity. As used in this section, “noxious gas or liquid” means mace, pepper spray or any other substance that is intended or designed to cause irritation to the eyes, nose or mouth, or to cause nausea.

Permalink Reply by Jane on September 27, 2013 at 8:54am

Thank you Dave for what seems to be the only on-topic and sensible reply on here : )

Perhaps we should be talking about locks here? I use an Abus plated steel lock, had it 15 years, wonderful investment.  

But a lock is only as good as what its locked to. Front wheel to frame to solid object. Period.

Folks, all that is needed here is some Pepper Spray or CS Spray for any bike thief.

Criminals can sue after the fact and shooting them is not a great idea.  However, spraying them with pepper spray is a much better approach then responding with a gun...IJS

Because of bike thieves, I always lock my bikes with 2 different bike locks.

Permalink Reply by Mark on September 27, 2013 at 11:24am

Reply by notoriousDUG on Wednesday   

 

Let me ask you some questions:

Do you have much experience or training handling a handgun?  Not a riffle or other long gun but an actual handgun.

Do you have a concept of just how much damage a gunshot does to a person?


Yes, as a matter of fact, I have a LOT of training in handling a hand gun.  I spent 7 months in Kuwait, as Marine.  I know EXACTLY the affect of shooting someone.  Both mentally, and the affect of the person being shot.  I was also a correctional officer in Illinois.  I think I have a pretty good grasp on criminals. I have a concealed carry permit, and regularly carry a handgun.  I don't take it lightly, but I will protect myself, and my family.

 

Permalink Reply by Skip Montanaro 12mi on Wednesday   

Tom Dworzanski said:

People in this city steal and kill each other at chart-topping rates and it's precisely due to our chart-topping restrictions on fire-arms.

I would appreciate some proof of this assertion.

Ok.

More Guns, Less Crime is a book by John Lott that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws. He presents the results of his statistical analysis of crime data for every county in the United States during 29 years from 1977 to 2005. The book examines city, county and state level data from the entire United States and measures the impact of 11 different types of gun control laws on crime rates. The book expands on an earlier study published in 1997 by Lott and his co-author David Mustard in The Journal of Legal Studies.[1] Lott also examines the effects of gun control laws, including the Brady Law.

 

 Reply by Michelle on Wednesday   

Yay we can now turn chicago into the wild Wild West with bikes for horses....
Statistics prove otherwise.  Chicago is already a Wild West.  Over 500 murders a year, with the most restrictive gun laws in the country. 
 
 Reply by Davo on Wednesday   

People in this city steal and kill each other at chart-topping rates and it's precisely due to our chart-topping restrictions on fire-arms.

We'd still have these problems with conceal and carry. I seriously doubt that the fellows who shot up that park would have thought twice if they thought others would have guns in that situation. In fact, I'd bet they were counting on it.

Every recent mass shooting has taken place in an area where guns were prohibited.  In all cases, when confronted with equal force, the shooter either surrendered, or turned his weapon on himself.  I would have to disagree with your assessment.

 

When is society going to realize that the police and government continues to fail to keep us safe?  Police departments are more worried about revenue creation, then serving their communities.  I will never rely on some government institution to ensure the safety of my family.

 

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

~ Benjamin Franklin

 

 

 


 

Permalink Reply by S on September 27, 2013 at 11:56am



Mark said:

More Guns, Less Crime is a book by John Lott that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws. He presents the results of his statistical analysis of crime data for every county in the United States during 29 years from 1977 to 2005. The book examines city, county and state level data from the entire United States and measures the impact of 11 different types of gun control laws on crime rates. The book expands on an earlier study published in 1997 by Lott and his co-author David Mustard in The Journal of Legal Studies.[1] Lott also examines the effects of gun control laws, including the Brady Law.

The Lott study's methodology and data has been disputed.  It probably shows that at worst concealed carry doesn't increase violence but it doesn't necessarily show that crime rates go down as the rates of concealed carry or gun ownership increase.

Every recent mass shooting has taken place in an area where guns were prohibited.  In all cases, when confronted with equal force, the shooter either surrendered, or turned his weapon on himself.  I would have to disagree with your assessment.

When is society going to realize that the police and government continues to fail to keep us safe?  Police departments are more worried about revenue creation, then serving their communities.  I will never rely on some government institution to ensure the safety of my family.


The Aurora shootings took place in a state with 'shall issue' concealed carry permits.  The recent shootings in DC and the one in Fort Hood took place on a base where presumably security personnel had firearms.  The LA bank robbery shootout ended with a rather spectacular shootout between the robbers and law enforcement.

While it's nice to fantasize about being independent and assuring your own safety through a stockpile of firearms, the fact of the matter is that everyone relies on the government hundreds of times, each and every day to assure their safety.  Whether it's  law enforcement, food safety, transportation safety, making sure infrastructure doesn't just fall down, or making sure medicine or things like aspirin won't kill you.  Like John Donne said no man is an island because we are all involved in making this civilization thing work.

Permalink Reply by Mark on September 27, 2013 at 12:12pm

The dissent of Lott's study, and further studies, say otherwise, and at best, say that not enough eveidence is available.

 

The Theater in Colorado was a "No fire arms area".   Just like Public transportation, and a million other places will be, under Illinois concealed carry law. 

 

Ft. Hood, and DC, were on military bases.  Military personnel cannot conceal carry.  Once your past the gate, most are unarmed. 

 

I don't imagine the bank robbers had legally acquired their firearms.  Another law wasn't going to stop them from robbing the bank, or shooting anyone.  An armed citizenry inside the bank, might have.

 

And every day, at the costs of hundreds of lives, the government fails those people.  Law enforcement, FAIL.  Food safety, FAIL.  Transportation Safety,  MAJOR FAIL.  Safe infrastructure?  How many traffic deaths a year?  FAIL. 

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on September 27, 2013 at 12:58pm

I have always wondered how it's possible that nobody in the entire Batman audience was carrying.

S said:



Mark said:

More Guns, Less Crime is a book by John Lott that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws. He presents the results of his statistical analysis of crime data for every county in the United States during 29 years from 1977 to 2005. The book examines city, county and state level data from the entire United States and measures the impact of 11 different types of gun control laws on crime rates. The book expands on an earlier study published in 1997 by Lott and his co-author David Mustard in The Journal of Legal Studies.[1] Lott also examines the effects of gun control laws, including the Brady Law.

The Lott study's methodology and data has been disputed.  It probably shows that at worst concealed carry doesn't increase violence but it doesn't necessarily show that crime rates go down as the rates of concealed carry or gun ownership increase.

Every recent mass shooting has taken place in an area where guns were prohibited.  In all cases, when confronted with equal force, the shooter either surrendered, or turned his weapon on himself.  I would have to disagree with your assessment.

When is society going to realize that the police and government continues to fail to keep us safe?  Police departments are more worried about revenue creation, then serving their communities.  I will never rely on some government institution to ensure the safety of my family.


The Aurora shootings took place in a state with 'shall issue' concealed carry permits.  The recent shootings in DC and the one in Fort Hood took place on a base where presumably security personnel had firearms.  The LA bank robbery shootout ended with a rather spectacular shootout between the robbers and law enforcement.

While it's nice to fantasize about being independent and assuring your own safety through a stockpile of firearms, the fact of the matter is that everyone relies on the government hundreds of times, each and every day to assure their safety.  Whether it's  law enforcement, food safety, transportation safety, making sure infrastructure doesn't just fall down, or making sure medicine or things like aspirin won't kill you.  Like John Donne said no man is an island because we are all involved in making this civilization thing work.

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