Double parked in the bike lane.

I tried the search feature, and it isn't working.  I'm sure this is a common gripe. But why can't the city do anything about all the cars double parked in the bike lane.  ESPECIALLY UPS, FedEx, and USPS.  I could gather 4 or 5 pictures daily of these guys double parked in an obvious bike lane.

Maybe that is what I should do.  Start stopping and taking pictures with my cell. Then writing to the owners of companies.

"Forcing bikes to quickly merge with traffic is dangerous.  The city has created these wonderfully useful "Bike lanes"  however, we are unable to use them, because you keep parking your delivery trucks in them.  This is not a delivery lane. It is a bike lane.  Please instruct your drivers that this is unsafe, and Illegal."

Now if we could just get the CPD to do something about it.

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Permalink Reply by Jared on September 18, 2013 at 7:59am

Sort of hard to make deliveries when businesses are closed.

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

Here are a few, quickly thought up suggestions regarding delivery trucks that are double parked.

Have you ever seen a street sign about no parking between time-one and time-two, or 15 minute parking between time-one and time-two? Many businesses pay to have space reserved on the street to receive supplies during a scheduled time frame.

The city could require, or the businesses being delivered to could require that deliveries be made in the pre-dawn hours, when the streets mostly clear (at least the larger streets that have businesses on them).

That's just a start ... but I'm sure you'll think I'm whining.

It seems that when someone disagrees with you, DUG, instead of engaging in discourse, you attack the person. I may be mistaken, but it sure seems like it to me.

notoriousDUG said:

I'm going to ask again; where do you suggest a beer, food service delivery truck, or even a larger UPS truck park legally in the Wicker Park area around The Crotch?  And again, is it really that scary to pass a double parked truck?  How do you cope with roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane?

You talk a lot about what you want but seem unwilling to discus what can be done with in the confines of the infrastructure we have right now.  Saying you want them to park in a legal spot without a willingness to talk about the lack of legal parking spots in general and the fact that larger delivery trucks do not fit into most parking spots changes your comments to looking for a compromise that solves the problem to just simply bitching that the world is not exactly as you want it.  Quit being a whiner and start talking about solving the issue.

Rather than replying about what you want how about you answer some questions about the reality of the situation and have a discussion about the reality of it rather than whine you don't have what you want?

Also
Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

No, I don't want them just stopped in the whole road backing up all the traffic.

I want them to park legally, like I've been saying.

notoriousDUG said:

So you want them just stopped in the whole road backing up all the traffic but you?

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

+1

Alex Z said:

This.

Mark said:

Let them double park in the traffic lane, like they do everywhere there ISN'T a bike lane.


 

Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on September 18, 2013 at 8:08am

Most of the companies that I've worked for are/were open 24 hours a day, for 5 or 6 days a week.

SUGGESTION to companies needing deliveries: if the deliveries need to be made at a time when you're not usually open, make time to be open for deliveries, be there, hire someone to come in when deliveries are scheduled.

I've seen street signs about no parking from 7:00am to 10:00am, for deliveries only. (adjust the time as needed) Work the timing out with the city, LAZ, your suppliers and yourself (or your staff).
Businesses are also their supplier's customers; as customers they could require that their deliveries be made at/during a certain time.


Jared said:

Sort of hard to make deliveries when businesses are closed.

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

Here are a few, quickly thought up suggestions regarding delivery trucks that are double parked.

Have you ever seen a street sign about no parking between time-one and time-two, or 15 minute parking between time-one and time-two? Many businesses pay to have space reserved on the street to receive supplies during a scheduled time frame.

The city could require, or the businesses being delivered to could require that deliveries be made in the pre-dawn hours, when the streets mostly clear (at least the larger streets that have businesses on them).

That's just a start ... but I'm sure you'll think I'm whining.

It seems that when someone disagrees with you, DUG, instead of engaging in discourse, you attack the person. I may be mistaken, but it sure seems like it to me.

notoriousDUG said:

I'm going to ask again; where do you suggest a beer, food service delivery truck, or even a larger UPS truck park legally in the Wicker Park area around The Crotch?  And again, is it really that scary to pass a double parked truck?  How do you cope with roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane?

You talk a lot about what you want but seem unwilling to discus what can be done with in the confines of the infrastructure we have right now.  Saying you want them to park in a legal spot without a willingness to talk about the lack of legal parking spots in general and the fact that larger delivery trucks do not fit into most parking spots changes your comments to looking for a compromise that solves the problem to just simply bitching that the world is not exactly as you want it.  Quit being a whiner and start talking about solving the issue.

Rather than replying about what you want how about you answer some questions about the reality of the situation and have a discussion about the reality of it rather than whine you don't have what you want?

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on September 18, 2013 at 8:40am

How am I attacking you as a person?  Because I want you to provide solutions not just complaints?

Pre-dawn delivery means more payroll hours for the business getting the shipment and higher freight and shipping costs on both sides of the equation.  It's also a selfish solution, you want others to incur cost and inconvenience so you don't have to look over your shoulder and share the lane with oh so terrifying cars.

Blocking off parking for loading zones would not only require, for beer and food service trucks, blocking off HUGE sections of parking on very busy commercial corridors.  Parking would be effected for not just the business being delivered to but those around it because of the size of the trucks that need to be accommodated.  You also have to understand that while the deliveries come at around the same time there is not a tight schedule on stuff like that so spots would have to be blocked off for long periods of time; plus what happens when a car is illegally parked when a delivery needs to be made?

Oh, and before you suggest smaller delivery trucks that will simply increase the cost and carbon footprint of whatever is being delivered.

Good for you for putting out some ideas but if it were as simple as those two the problem would already be solved; it's not a simple issue and unless you have some knowledge of trucking, shipping and running a business it's hard to provide a useful, and realistic, solution.

Again, I have to ask, is it really that big a deal to just pass the truck in the lane like all the other traffic on the road does?  You don't seem to want to answer that question; cars deal with having to get around double parked trucks all the time.

Remember, it's about sharing the road and making it as convenient and safe as possible for ALL road users not just cyclists.

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

Here are a few, quickly thought up suggestions regarding delivery trucks that are double parked.

Have you ever seen a street sign about no parking between time-one and time-two, or 15 minute parking between time-one and time-two? Many businesses pay to have space reserved on the street to receive supplies during a scheduled time frame.

The city could require, or the businesses being delivered to could require that deliveries be made in the pre-dawn hours, when the streets mostly clear (at least the larger streets that have businesses on them).

That's just a start ... but I'm sure you'll think I'm whining.

It seems that when someone disagrees with you, DUG, instead of engaging in discourse, you attack the person. I may be mistaken, but it sure seems like it to me.

notoriousDUG said:

I'm going to ask again; where do you suggest a beer, food service delivery truck, or even a larger UPS truck park legally in the Wicker Park area around The Crotch?  And again, is it really that scary to pass a double parked truck?  How do you cope with roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane?

You talk a lot about what you want but seem unwilling to discus what can be done with in the confines of the infrastructure we have right now.  Saying you want them to park in a legal spot without a willingness to talk about the lack of legal parking spots in general and the fact that larger delivery trucks do not fit into most parking spots changes your comments to looking for a compromise that solves the problem to just simply bitching that the world is not exactly as you want it.  Quit being a whiner and start talking about solving the issue.

Rather than replying about what you want how about you answer some questions about the reality of the situation and have a discussion about the reality of it rather than whine you don't have what you want?

Also
Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

No, I don't want them just stopped in the whole road backing up all the traffic.

I want them to park legally, like I've been saying.

notoriousDUG said:

So you want them just stopped in the whole road backing up all the traffic but you?

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

+1

Alex Z said:

This.

Mark said:

Let them double park in the traffic lane, like they do everywhere there ISN'T a bike lane.


 

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on September 18, 2013 at 8:41am

If you are not normally open those times it is a financial burden to carry those extra payroll hours...

Also keep in mind most van lines and shipping companies do not offer delivery that early because it would require huge increases in payroll and fleet expenses.


Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

Most of the companies that I've worked for are/were open 24 hours a day, for 5 or 6 days a week.

SUGGESTION to companies needing deliveries: if the deliveries need to be made at a time when you're not usually open, make time to be open for deliveries, be there, hire someone to come in when deliveries are scheduled.

I've seen street signs about no parking from 7:00am to 10:00am, for deliveries only. (adjust the time as needed) Work the timing out with the city, LAZ, your suppliers and yourself (or your staff).
Businesses are also their supplier's customers; as customers they could require that their deliveries be made at/during a certain time.


Jared said:

Sort of hard to make deliveries when businesses are closed.

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

Here are a few, quickly thought up suggestions regarding delivery trucks that are double parked.

Have you ever seen a street sign about no parking between time-one and time-two, or 15 minute parking between time-one and time-two? Many businesses pay to have space reserved on the street to receive supplies during a scheduled time frame.

The city could require, or the businesses being delivered to could require that deliveries be made in the pre-dawn hours, when the streets mostly clear (at least the larger streets that have businesses on them).

That's just a start ... but I'm sure you'll think I'm whining.

It seems that when someone disagrees with you, DUG, instead of engaging in discourse, you attack the person. I may be mistaken, but it sure seems like it to me.

notoriousDUG said:

I'm going to ask again; where do you suggest a beer, food service delivery truck, or even a larger UPS truck park legally in the Wicker Park area around The Crotch?  And again, is it really that scary to pass a double parked truck?  How do you cope with roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane?

You talk a lot about what you want but seem unwilling to discus what can be done with in the confines of the infrastructure we have right now.  Saying you want them to park in a legal spot without a willingness to talk about the lack of legal parking spots in general and the fact that larger delivery trucks do not fit into most parking spots changes your comments to looking for a compromise that solves the problem to just simply bitching that the world is not exactly as you want it.  Quit being a whiner and start talking about solving the issue.

Rather than replying about what you want how about you answer some questions about the reality of the situation and have a discussion about the reality of it rather than whine you don't have what you want?

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on September 18, 2013 at 9:05am

There, I changed it.

I expect nothing but sunshine and happiness to rain down upon me now.

h' 1.0 said:

We established long ago that your Mr. Yuck Avatar was making you seem hostile.

Weren't you planning to change it to puppies or kitties or something?



notoriousDUG said:

How am I attacking you as a person?  Because I want you to provide solutions not just complaints? 

Permalink Reply by Michael A on September 18, 2013 at 9:15am

I love it when people say to deliver it at night, what about the cyclists who ride at night? It is better to have the trucks block THIER way then yours, I get it now

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on September 18, 2013 at 9:50am

It's all about me.

Michael A said:

I love it when people say to deliver it at night, what about the cyclists who ride at night? It is better to have the trucks block THIER way then yours, I get it now

Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on September 18, 2013 at 10:06am

Dear DUG, where did I say anything about going around double parked trucks? You must be thinking of someone else.

If you used as much energy being constructive as you use saying nay, this thread could have ended pages ago.

notoriousDUG said:

How am I attacking you as a person?  Because I want you to provide solutions not just complaints?

Pre-dawn delivery means more payroll hours for the business getting the shipment and higher freight and shipping costs on both sides of the equation.  It's also a selfish solution, you want others to incur cost and inconvenience so you don't have to look over your shoulder and share the lane with oh so terrifying cars.

Blocking off parking for loading zones would not only require, for beer and food service trucks, blocking off HUGE sections of parking on very busy commercial corridors.  Parking would be effected for not just the business being delivered to but those around it because of the size of the trucks that need to be accommodated.  You also have to understand that while the deliveries come at around the same time there is not a tight schedule on stuff like that so spots would have to be blocked off for long periods of time; plus what happens when a car is illegally parked when a delivery needs to be made?

Oh, and before you suggest smaller delivery trucks that will simply increase the cost and carbon footprint of whatever is being delivered.

Good for you for putting out some ideas but if it were as simple as those two the problem would already be solved; it's not a simple issue and unless you have some knowledge of trucking, shipping and running a business it's hard to provide a useful, and realistic, solution.

Again, I have to ask, is it really that big a deal to just pass the truck in the lane like all the other traffic on the road does?  You don't seem to want to answer that question; cars deal with having to get around double parked trucks all the time.

Remember, it's about sharing the road and making it as convenient and safe as possible for ALL road users not just cyclists.

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

Here are a few, quickly thought up suggestions regarding delivery trucks that are double parked.

Have you ever seen a street sign about no parking between time-one and time-two, or 15 minute parking between time-one and time-two? Many businesses pay to have space reserved on the street to receive supplies during a scheduled time frame.

The city could require, or the businesses being delivered to could require that deliveries be made in the pre-dawn hours, when the streets mostly clear (at least the larger streets that have businesses on them).

That's just a start ... but I'm sure you'll think I'm whining.

It seems that when someone disagrees with you, DUG, instead of engaging in discourse, you attack the person. I may be mistaken, but it sure seems like it to me.

notoriousDUG said:

I'm going to ask again; where do you suggest a beer, food service delivery truck, or even a larger UPS truck park legally in the Wicker Park area around The Crotch?  And again, is it really that scary to pass a double parked truck?  How do you cope with roads that do not have a dedicated bike lane?

You talk a lot about what you want but seem unwilling to discus what can be done with in the confines of the infrastructure we have right now.  Saying you want them to park in a legal spot without a willingness to talk about the lack of legal parking spots in general and the fact that larger delivery trucks do not fit into most parking spots changes your comments to looking for a compromise that solves the problem to just simply bitching that the world is not exactly as you want it.  Quit being a whiner and start talking about solving the issue.

Rather than replying about what you want how about you answer some questions about the reality of the situation and have a discussion about the reality of it rather than whine you don't have what you want?

Also
Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

No, I don't want them just stopped in the whole road backing up all the traffic.

I want them to park legally, like I've been saying.

notoriousDUG said:

So you want them just stopped in the whole road backing up all the traffic but you?

Michael J Blane 6.5 said:

+1

Alex Z said:

This.

Mark said:

Let them double park in the traffic lane, like they do everywhere there ISN'T a bike lane.


 

Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on September 18, 2013 at 10:11am

Thanks, I try to be constructive.

Oh, do you know if I have any knowledge of logistics or running a business?

notoriousDUG said:

How am I attacking you as a person?  Because I want you to provide solutions not just complaints? ... 

Good for you for putting out some ideas but if it were as simple as those two the problem would already be solved; it's not a simple issue and unless you have some knowledge of trucking, shipping and running a business it's hard to provide a useful, and realistic, solution...

Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on September 18, 2013 at 10:13am

Fully half of my commuting miles are between sunset and sunrise, do I count as a cyclist who rides at night?

By the way, it's their (not thier) and you probably mean than (not then). Do you get it now?


Michael A said:

I love it when people say to deliver it at night, what about the cyclists who ride at night? It is better to have the trucks block THIER way then yours, I get it now

Permalink Reply by Michael J Blane on September 18, 2013 at 10:15am

Whew. I am in my place now.
There are enough people who are always right that I no longer feel the need to frequent the Chainlink to be around more.

This will most likely be my final post on this thread.

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on September 18, 2013 at 10:20am

dammit.

h' 1.0 said:

Better!

notoriousDUG said:

There, I changed it.

I expect nothing but sunshine and happiness to rain down upon me now.

h' 1.0 said:

We established long ago that your Mr. Yuck Avatar was making you seem hostile.

Weren't you planning to change it to puppies or kitties or something?



notoriousDUG said:

How am I attacking you as a person?  Because I want you to provide solutions not just complaints? 

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