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One of my friends (co-worker, actually) posted on Facebook that he had an encounter with a rude cyclist, and he couldn't wait to see the cyclist's ghost bike.

I don't know about anyone else here, but I know there are rude cyclists, just as there are rude drivers, but I don't wish any of them dead. I said as much, and told him he was wrong for wishing the cyclist dead and should be ashamed. He responded that he didn't really care about my opinion and I should keep it to myself, to which I responded that he invited my opinion when he offered his. So he defriended me.

That's all I got really, just a basic Facebook pissing contest. Do you ever encounter "friends" (or people you just know) who hate on cyclists? How do you deal with them? I can let a lot of stuff slide by, but I draw the line at hoping to see a cyclist's ghost bike.

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"So, it really is possible, with patience, to open people's eyes; it's not always a dead end."

I totally agree with this.

And busses are great, I've never had an issue at all.

You can be right or have a relationship.

Spoken like a wise sage.

There is a hierarchy on the road.  Those who drive automobiles cannot complain or talk shit about anyone, because their modus of travel has the ability to kill both bicyclists and pedestrians, as well as others in automobiles.  If a car was ever inconvenienced because of someone on a bike or a pedestrian, they have no real cause to complain about.  It should be understood that they are part of the problem themselves.  Now, taking that one step further, bicyclists can talk shit about cars, because they are at a much higher risk and I can sympathize with their cause and they are generally treated poorly on the road.  But, I have also seen bicycles treat pedestrians with the same lack of consideration and lack of respect for their safety as they might equally receive from motorists.  Ultimately the pedestrian is the most "naked" and at risk individual.  So, while I agree with your cause as a bicyclist, please consider how you treat those who are simply on their feet and have to defend themselves not only from cars, but riders just as much.

This has to be one of the most ill conceived notion about manner on the road that I have ever seen.

Cars have EVERY right to be annoyed and complain about it when a cyclists does something rude, illegal or just plain stupid that inconveniences them.  It is stupid to think that somebodies transportation choices have any bearing on their right to get upset when others are ignorant.

Joseph Shields said:

There is a hierarchy on the road.  Those who drive automobiles cannot complain or talk shit about anyone, because their modus of travel has the ability to kill both bicyclists and pedestrians, as well as others in automobiles.  If a car was ever inconvenienced because of someone on a bike or a pedestrian, they have no real cause to complain about.  It should be understood that they are part of the problem themselves.  Now, taking that one step further, bicyclists can talk shit about cars, because they are at a much higher risk and I can sympathize with their cause and they are generally treated poorly on the road.  But, I have also seen bicycles treat pedestrians with the same lack of consideration and lack of respect for their safety as they might equally receive from motorists.  Ultimately the pedestrian is the most "naked" and at risk individual.  So, while I agree with your cause as a bicyclist, please consider how you treat those who are simply on their feet and have to defend themselves not only from cars, but riders just as much.

There is nothing more satisfying than pissing off someone in car.  I think the scale with which they amplify their anger is in direct proportion to the size of their car and in inverse proportion to the size of their humanity.  But that aside, the car is truly the biggest inconvenience of all.  It has ruined so many great things about our lives, our society, our culture, our architecture, our way of thinking about the world.  So to sit and watch a driver get pissed off as I cross the road in front of him, walking home from work in 0 degree weather, while he sits in his heated oasis, fumed, just wanting to hit the gas and plow me over.  I smile back at him and enjoy his inconvenience that much more.  

notoriousDUG said:

This has to be one of the most ill conceived notion about manner on the road that I have ever seen.

Cars have EVERY right to be annoyed and complain about it when a cyclists does something rude, illegal or just plain stupid that inconveniences them.  It is stupid to think that somebodies transportation choices have any bearing on their right to get upset when others are ignorant.

Joseph Shields said:

There is a hierarchy on the road.  Those who drive automobiles cannot complain or talk shit about anyone, because their modus of travel has the ability to kill both bicyclists and pedestrians, as well as others in automobiles.  If a car was ever inconvenienced because of someone on a bike or a pedestrian, they have no real cause to complain about.  It should be understood that they are part of the problem themselves.  Now, taking that one step further, bicyclists can talk shit about cars, because they are at a much higher risk and I can sympathize with their cause and they are generally treated poorly on the road.  But, I have also seen bicycles treat pedestrians with the same lack of consideration and lack of respect for their safety as they might equally receive from motorists.  Ultimately the pedestrian is the most "naked" and at risk individual.  So, while I agree with your cause as a bicyclist, please consider how you treat those who are simply on their feet and have to defend themselves not only from cars, but riders just as much.

You are an asshole and you make the roads worse for EVERYONE on them.  The attitude you have is so damaging to the cause of cycling advocacy that I don't even have the words to express the harm you do.  All of the anger and ill will we all deal with is driven by people just like you no matter what form of transportation they choose.

Cars, nor the people who drive them are inherently evil.  In fact cars are pretty darn useful and there is nothing wrong with choosing to use one from time to time. 

Joseph Shields said:

There is nothing more satisfying than pissing off someone in car.  I think the scale with which they amplify their anger is in direct proportion to the size of their car and in inverse proportion to the size of their humanity.  But that aside, the car is truly the biggest inconvenience of all.  It has ruined so many great things about our lives, our society, our culture, our architecture, our way of thinking about the world.  So to sit and watch a driver get pissed off as I cross the road in front of him, walking home from work in 0 degree weather, while he sits in his heated oasis, fumed, just wanting to hit the gas and plow me over.  I smile back at him and enjoy his inconvenience that much more.  

notoriousDUG said:

This has to be one of the most ill conceived notion about manner on the road that I have ever seen.

Cars have EVERY right to be annoyed and complain about it when a cyclists does something rude, illegal or just plain stupid that inconveniences them.  It is stupid to think that somebodies transportation choices have any bearing on their right to get upset when others are ignorant.

Joseph Shields said:

There is a hierarchy on the road.  Those who drive automobiles cannot complain or talk shit about anyone, because their modus of travel has the ability to kill both bicyclists and pedestrians, as well as others in automobiles.  If a car was ever inconvenienced because of someone on a bike or a pedestrian, they have no real cause to complain about.  It should be understood that they are part of the problem themselves.  Now, taking that one step further, bicyclists can talk shit about cars, because they are at a much higher risk and I can sympathize with their cause and they are generally treated poorly on the road.  But, I have also seen bicycles treat pedestrians with the same lack of consideration and lack of respect for their safety as they might equally receive from motorists.  Ultimately the pedestrian is the most "naked" and at risk individual.  So, while I agree with your cause as a bicyclist, please consider how you treat those who are simply on their feet and have to defend themselves not only from cars, but riders just as much.

Trolling, trolling, trolling, keep them doggies trolling, RAWHIDE . . . .  

Oops, wrong song.

The only anger and ill will expressed thus far has been from you.  I never made any attacks on your person, only expressed my opinions with regard to cars.  I only pointed out the smile on my face, whence you called me an asshole.  The amplification of your anger is palpable.  I hope you enjoy it.

notoriousDUG said:

You are an asshole and you make the roads worse for EVERYONE on them.  The attitude you have is so damaging to the cause of cycling advocacy that I don't even have the words to express the harm you do.  All of the anger and ill will we all deal with is driven by people just like you no matter what form of transportation they choose.

Cars, nor the people who drive them are inherently evil.  In fact cars are pretty darn useful and there is nothing wrong with choosing to use one from time to time. 

Joseph Shields said:

There is nothing more satisfying than pissing off someone in car.  I think the scale with which they amplify their anger is in direct proportion to the size of their car and in inverse proportion to the size of their humanity.  But that aside, the car is truly the biggest inconvenience of all.  It has ruined so many great things about our lives, our society, our culture, our architecture, our way of thinking about the world.  So to sit and watch a driver get pissed off as I cross the road in front of him, walking home from work in 0 degree weather, while he sits in his heated oasis, fumed, just wanting to hit the gas and plow me over.  I smile back at him and enjoy his inconvenience that much more.  

notoriousDUG said:

This has to be one of the most ill conceived notion about manner on the road that I have ever seen.

Cars have EVERY right to be annoyed and complain about it when a cyclists does something rude, illegal or just plain stupid that inconveniences them.  It is stupid to think that somebodies transportation choices have any bearing on their right to get upset when others are ignorant.

Joseph Shields said:

There is a hierarchy on the road.  Those who drive automobiles cannot complain or talk shit about anyone, because their modus of travel has the ability to kill both bicyclists and pedestrians, as well as others in automobiles.  If a car was ever inconvenienced because of someone on a bike or a pedestrian, they have no real cause to complain about.  It should be understood that they are part of the problem themselves.  Now, taking that one step further, bicyclists can talk shit about cars, because they are at a much higher risk and I can sympathize with their cause and they are generally treated poorly on the road.  But, I have also seen bicycles treat pedestrians with the same lack of consideration and lack of respect for their safety as they might equally receive from motorists.  Ultimately the pedestrian is the most "naked" and at risk individual.  So, while I agree with your cause as a bicyclist, please consider how you treat those who are simply on their feet and have to defend themselves not only from cars, but riders just as much.

Ha this has to be a joke.

Joseph Shields said:

There is nothing more satisfying than pissing off someone in car.  I think the scale with which they amplify their anger is in direct proportion to the size of their car and in inverse proportion to the size of their humanity.  But that aside, the car is truly the biggest inconvenience of all.  It has ruined so many great things about our lives, our society, our culture, our architecture, our way of thinking about the world.  So to sit and watch a driver get pissed off as I cross the road in front of him, walking home from work in 0 degree weather, while he sits in his heated oasis, fumed, just wanting to hit the gas and plow me over.  I smile back at him and enjoy his inconvenience that much more.  

notoriousDUG said:

This has to be one of the most ill conceived notion about manner on the road that I have ever seen.

Cars have EVERY right to be annoyed and complain about it when a cyclists does something rude, illegal or just plain stupid that inconveniences them.  It is stupid to think that somebodies transportation choices have any bearing on their right to get upset when others are ignorant.

Joseph Shields said:

There is a hierarchy on the road.  Those who drive automobiles cannot complain or talk shit about anyone, because their modus of travel has the ability to kill both bicyclists and pedestrians, as well as others in automobiles.  If a car was ever inconvenienced because of someone on a bike or a pedestrian, they have no real cause to complain about.  It should be understood that they are part of the problem themselves.  Now, taking that one step further, bicyclists can talk shit about cars, because they are at a much higher risk and I can sympathize with their cause and they are generally treated poorly on the road.  But, I have also seen bicycles treat pedestrians with the same lack of consideration and lack of respect for their safety as they might equally receive from motorists.  Ultimately the pedestrian is the most "naked" and at risk individual.  So, while I agree with your cause as a bicyclist, please consider how you treat those who are simply on their feet and have to defend themselves not only from cars, but riders just as much.

Cars aren't inherently evil? Oh I guess they're just the object our entire unsustainable crumbling infrastructure based on. No big

Cheers for making me laugh.  

Also, is this even english? "This has to be one of the most ill conceived notion about manner on the road that I have ever seen."



Joseph Shields said:

The only anger and ill will expressed thus far has been from you.  I never made any attacks on your person, only expressed my opinions with regard to cars.  I only pointed out the smile on my face, whence you called me an asshole.  The amplification of your anger is palpable.  I hope you enjoy it.

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