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Permalink Reply by Michael A on November 3, 2011 at 11:47am

Another hint is to make sure you have broken the bead free from the rim all the way around the wheel on both sides of the rim, and that all the air is out of the tube.  You can do this by pinching the tire just above the rim in sections completely freeing it from the rim bead. Ig you still have your Barry white 8 track tapes, I am worried about you.

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on November 3, 2011 at 11:54am

Some tire/rim combos have a terrible interface.

On bad ones you can sometimes get them off by starting two levers under the bead on two spokes adjacent to each other on the same side.  Make sure they are good strong levers like Pedro's or the all metal ones like Park makes.  Press on both levers at once and you *should* be able to get the bead to pop over.  With that much bead off you should be able to start the tire off, or at least be able to get a lever in farther down once you pull one of them out.

 

Word of warning: If it comes off that hard it is going to be murder to get back on as well try to avoid using levers to remount it as they can pinch the tube and cause punctures.  If it is very difficult try working it in from the valve stem to the opposite side of the rim and then working it in against a solid surface with the heel of your hand.  If all else fails it is a good idea to invest in one of these:

It's a Kool-Stop bead jack and it is invaluable when it comes to mounting a tough tire/rim interface.

 

Hope this helps.

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Mulcky on November 3, 2011 at 3:47pm

I'm just reiterating what i agree with above: Pedros's neon levers x 2 at once.

 

Also - The Park plastic levers suck.

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Permalink Reply by Joe Willis on November 3, 2011 at 4:41pm

Put it in the tub, run some hot water over it (or use a hair dryer), run a bead of dish soap along the bead, and then start the fight. I do this when installing and removing my Gatorskins. I also keep a small vile of dish soap in my bag for the stubborn flat on the road.

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on November 3, 2011 at 6:37pm

yes, it is only for mounting but if they are that hard to remove it is going to be hard to get them on.

h' said:

Thanks, read and appreciated.

It sounds like you're saying the Kool Stop is for mounting, but not for getting difficult tires off?

notoriousDUG said:

Some tire/rim combos have a terrible interface.

On bad ones you can sometimes get them off by starting two levers under the bead on two spokes adjacent to each other on the same side.  Make sure they are good strong levers like Pedro's or the all metal ones like Park makes.  Press on both levers at once and you *should* be able to get the bead to pop over.  With that much bead off you should be able to start the tire off, or at least be able to get a lever in farther down once you pull one of them out.

 

Word of warning: If it comes off that hard it is going to be murder to get back on as well try to avoid using levers to remount it as they can pinch the tube and cause punctures.  If it is very difficult try working it in from the valve stem to the opposite side of the rim and then working it in against a solid surface with the heel of your hand.  If all else fails it is a good idea to invest in one of these:

It's a Kool-Stop bead jack and it is invaluable when it comes to mounting a tough tire/rim interface.

 

Hope this helps.

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Permalink Reply by dan brown on November 4, 2011 at 3:19am

nice photo howard,

hey : how did you manage to hold the camera stable enough to get that photo...a tripod ?

 

db

 

p.s. the dish soap is a good idea. I have had some success with that before too

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Bernard Joseph Hannigan on November 4, 2011 at 4:21am

I have CR-18's...Kwik Stick pops em right off...

                            - Barry "I write the songs" Manilow

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Permalink Reply by rb on November 4, 2011 at 5:57am

+1 on the Kool Stop- My rims on my Paramount are brutal- the only way to get the tires off is with a Kool Stop bead jack- I think that I got mine from Universal cycle 5-6 yrs ago.

 

All other tough tire and rim combos issues have been solved with yellow Pedro's levers as Dug mentions.

Good luck.

 

notoriousDUG said:

Some tire/rim combos have a terrible interface.

On bad ones you can sometimes get them off by starting two levers under the bead on two spokes adjacent to each other on the same side.  Make sure they are good strong levers like Pedro's or the all metal ones like Park makes.  Press on both levers at once and you *should* be able to get the bead to pop over.  With that much bead off you should be able to start the tire off, or at least be able to get a lever in farther down once you pull one of them out.

 

Word of warning: If it comes off that hard it is going to be murder to get back on as well try to avoid using levers to remount it as they can pinch the tube and cause punctures.  If it is very difficult try working it in from the valve stem to the opposite side of the rim and then working it in against a solid surface with the heel of your hand.  If all else fails it is a good idea to invest in one of these:

It's a Kool-Stop bead jack and it is invaluable when it comes to mounting a tough tire/rim interface.

 

Hope this helps.

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