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...."Why isn't daley sucking up to Schwinn to build a factory, do we need more stores to sell cheap crap?"

OK I was on another discussion and I'm wondering...

 

Is any one else bothered by the big deal made about wallmart coming to Chicago, when what we really need is GOOD long term jobs here....

 

Why isn't daley trying to bring back at least SOME manufacturing here? I mean with so many people unemployed the cost of labour MUST be down, I know Schwinn is nothing more than a name BUT there must be some companies that would be willing to try, also since the price of land is down....How about SRAM? they are headquartered here.

 

So are we just a bunch of blind sheep that want our kids to play with lead painted toys from China because they are a buck? Or is anyone willing to pay more to have a non lead painted toy?

 

Isn't there a big drywall company with offices here in Chicago ? Why did China drywall show up in the south east with mystery stuff in it that MAY be toxic ?

 

I just think it's time for a real change

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Permalink Reply by milesperhour on August 12, 2010 at 10:38am
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Rick norris on August 12, 2010 at 10:59am
Sure it is, you just get Mommy and Daddy to pay....

Or just take out a bunch of loans....

Or doesn't the government give out grants and stuff....

I'm not knocking higher education, many people for many reasons, choose not to go, or sometimes can't go for reasons we can't all see. Don't say ANYONE can do it if they really want to, because no one knows another persons life.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 12, 2010 at 12:26pm
You are the exception to the norm.

Duppie said:
That is not my experience.

I work for a large company that still makes all the stuff they sell in this country. Our starting pay for labor is upwards of 15$/hour + good benefits, depending on region. Try to get that in retail.

And no, we are not a union shop

notoriousDUG said:
against my better judgment (I'm bored and out of town in a hotel...) I'm reading this thread and wonder if you have any familiarity with the type of job a large scale manufacturing plant provides.
Most of the jobs in a factory are low paying unskilled labor centered on repetitive tasks or material handling with a small minority of trades people maintaining the plant. Actual ratio varies depending on the specific process and facility but I have seen places that have 2-3 skilled trades people supporting 50-75 unskilled laborers who make next to nothing. Rick norris said:
Why not try to attract manufacturing (generally good paying trade jobs)
Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on August 12, 2010 at 12:29pm
notoriousDUG said:
You are the exception to the norm.



From here on out every post to this thread gets " . . .in bed" added on to the end.
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 12, 2010 at 12:30pm
Are you really bad at sarcasm or just not very well versed on how things work?

Honestly have you even seen the inside of a modern manufacturing plant, ever?

Running a manual mill or lathe is not only never really used in any kind of large scale manufacturing, and has not been for decades, but it is far, far more skilled work then programing a CNC machine.

Most actual work in a factory is automated these days with workers there to mostly feed material in and pull the product out plus a few to keep the machines working.

Rick norris said:

I'm sure any idiot can program CNC machines, or manually operate lath and mills and such to make the tooling that made the bike, and other things.

To say factory work is ALL unskilled is just wrong....manufacturing ( I think...but then again I aint got no learning past the 12th grade) needs and employs accountants, lawers, managers, IT people, along with skilled, and unskilled workers.
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Permalink Reply by Ace Mann on August 12, 2010 at 2:57pm
The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by milesperhour on August 12, 2010 at 3:53pm
Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.

Ace Mann said:
The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Rick norris on August 12, 2010 at 6:09pm
So I guess what I'm hearing is there is no way we can ever make anything again in this country and retail is the answer to creating more jobs....

WAIT A MINUTE I JUST GOT AN IDEA....

I will start writing mortgages for 110% of property value and sell them to people that can barely make the payments, then I will bundle that and sell it all off....then I will take THAT money and invest in building 6 unit and larger condo's on land that used to have a single family home, Then I can write MORE loans for 110% value...This can go on forever... I'LL be a dillionair!!!

Any one want to invest in my idea?

Screw it, we should all go on welfar and ride more anyway....I'm bored with my own discussion
Permalink Reply by Dr. Doom on August 12, 2010 at 6:37pm
Apologies if this has been mentioned, but manufacturing as a percentage of GDP has been fairly constant for decades now. The reason there are fewer manufacturing jobs is that technology has become more sophisticated, so that companies can make more stuff with fewer workers. As Doug says, this idea of good union jobs that involve standing at a lathe is pretty outdated. You could throw a lot of manufacturing plant up in Chicago without creating all that many jobs, let alone good ones.
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 12, 2010 at 8:32pm
I dunno, I managed to start a business and employ people without any college degree...

The idea that you have to have years and years of education to accomplish anything in life is complete and utter bullshit. Skills and hard work still count for something; I go head to head with people far more educated then I am and usually win because I know my field.

milesperhour said:
Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:
The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on August 12, 2010 at 8:47pm
Right, because experience isn't worth anything. Oh, wait, I have an AA, and am making some pretty decent money (and just got a raise after 3 months.)

And then of course, there's my friend who didn't go beyond high school. What's he do? He manages about 70 web servers for major power tool companies.

But I guess none of this matters because "You can only get so far with an AA."

milesperhour said:
Are you talking about community colleges or the universities? You can only get so far with an AA.
Ace Mann said:
The local city college here in the Chicago area are some of the most affordable and high quality in the midwest area.

milesperhour said:
not to mention how "affordable" college is!
Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on August 12, 2010 at 9:13pm
You're bored with it because you want to simplify an complex issue to the degree that it fits your own narrow view of the subject and have been called out on your lack of knowledge.

to be honest with you the job future is going to be in the skilled trades but that is a whole other discussion and is going to require a lot of changes in or cultural views of what is, and is not, a 'good' job.

There may also be a time when large scale manufacturing is a viable enterprise in the US but it will take a lot of changes to not only our economic models but also out cultural models. Right now small scale and boutique manufacturing is where we need to look to in my opinion.

Rick norris said:
So I guess what I'm hearing is there is no way we can ever make anything again in this country and retail is the answer to creating more jobs....

WAIT A MINUTE I JUST GOT AN IDEA....

I will start writing mortgages for 110% of property value and sell them to people that can barely make the payments, then I will bundle that and sell it all off....then I will take THAT money and invest in building 6 unit and larger condo's on land that used to have a single family home, Then I can write MORE loans for 110% value...This can go on forever... I'LL be a dillionair!!!

Any one want to invest in my idea?

Screw it, we should all go on welfar and ride more anyway....I'm bored with my own discussion

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