This is a group that realizes that we all have something in common. We ride bikes. We can have differing points of view on a vast array of topics related to and completely seperate from biking, but we have at least some common ground and that is a start.
A group that understands we have all erred. We have all been judgmental or harsh or critical or unfair to our fellow cyclists, and that there is a better way forward. You don't have to be perfect to join, but you should be committed to trying harder. A group that seeks to find ways where our common ground allows for some unity, and our unity creates power and numbers that advances our common goals.
Come and join Cyclists Who Love Cyclists and the Cyclists Who Love Them today, and help stop the hating. It's time for a whole lot of bike love, and a little bit of unity.
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It's a shame that the original poster of threads can't delete replies that are made because this thread needs a major cleaning.
this statement reeks of intolerance.
Why, Ryan, can't you just get along?
Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:It's a shame that the original poster of threads can't delete replies that are made because this thread needs a major cleaning.
H3N3 said:Some questions you could ask:
-"why did that post upset you so much? Is there something here I missed?" -"what do I need to know about this person to understand why this issue that seems so trivial to me is seemingly so important to him?
I don't think that this is an extremely inappropriate place to have this conversation (unless Lee does, in which case, I apologize), but where else can I ask my questions, like:
In the event that someone says something that pisses someone else off and that someone else says something mean or abrasive... why is it the responsibility of the first guy to approach that other guy (or gal, forgive me) with kindness?
I still think it's better that people all respect each other in the first place instead of posting guidelines for disaster recovery once someone's already been attacked. But yes, I suppose if someone really wants to know why they were engaged in a flame war, they could just ask.
There are people here who could be a bit more subtle about their utter disgust at another person's opinion on a matter. It's off-putting. The thread was about respecting your fellow cyclists (or about a group about respecting your fellow cyclists), and that's what we're talking about. Relationships take work! :)
Hey Duppie,
I am still a moderator. Overall, the goal of moderators since I have been one seems to be to have a pretty light-touch. I don't disagree with that, and there are lots of times we discuss postings, and there are times we reach out to individuals, or give them "strikes" or suspend them and even ban them. The funny thing is that, our light touch is portrayed as diabolical censorship and interference and hostility and every other thing you can imagine on the occassions when it is used. Classic damned if you do damned if you don't scenarios over and over, so it is a bit of a winder that doesn't seem to let up.
I also think it goes beyond the Chainlink, as the Chainlink is just the online manifestation of what it is talking about, namely a bicycling community. I've been in numerous social settings over the course of the last few years where the constant theme of conversation is similar amongst the cyclists....exasperation with other cyclists and a laundry list of complaints about how other people cycle.
I say this having recognized it in myself as I grew tired of it. It is kind of easy to think of someone else as part of the problem when you catch them being part of the problem, but what about when you catch yourself doing it?
I am not a fan of the yelling-screaming-way of doing things that we have have degenerated into, as a society, so again, that is just the bicycling community representing a bad progression. I think this group could be what you describe, but that wasn't my intent. I don't mind it turning into anything positive at all, or even nothing. it is just the internets.
i like the idea that it might be a place where ideas are discussed that bring us together though, which I think would be good. It would be nice to talk about constructive ways of talking to others. I think there are ways you can do outreach that people are receptive to, and then ways that get their dander up and shut down your hopes of reaching them. Maybe we could discuss ways to do that....like if you want to get people to lock up better, how do you educate them without them thinking of you as preaching at them, and shutting down? Same thing with any topic....wearing a helmet, being safe, etc.
Part of the creation of this group is just because it seemed like a way to bring the topic itself to the forum. Plus I had to show off my mad art skillz.
Cheers - Lee
Lee,
I can see that if you berate people in private they might get upset. It is easy to feel as if you are singled out, especially since the poster doesn't know whether you berated anybody else.
I think that consistently applied moderation is a good idea. Maybe instead of dealing with it in private way via PM, deal with it openly, by deleting posts that are just personal attacks or filled with profanity and replacing it with a message stating it got deleted by a moderator and why. If the poster doesn't agree with that he is free to go elsewhere and spout his personal attacks and profanity.
But I take that it is not the direction you guys have taken.
Lee Diamond said:Hey Duppie,
I am still a moderator. Overall, the goal of moderators since I have been one seems to be to have a pretty light-touch. I don't disagree with that, and there are lots of times we discuss postings, and there are times we reach out to individuals, or give them "strikes" or suspend them and even ban them. The funny thing is that, our light touch is portrayed as diabolical censorship and interference and hostility and every other thing you can imagine on the occassions when it is used. Classic damned if you do damned if you don't scenarios over and over, so it is a bit of a winder that doesn't seem to let up.
I also think it goes beyond the Chainlink, as the Chainlink is just the online manifestation of what it is talking about, namely a bicycling community. I've been in numerous social settings over the course of the last few years where the constant theme of conversation is similar amongst the cyclists....exasperation with other cyclists and a laundry list of complaints about how other people cycle.
I say this having recognized it in myself as I grew tired of it. It is kind of easy to think of someone else as part of the problem when you catch them being part of the problem, but what about when you catch yourself doing it?
I am not a fan of the yelling-screaming-way of doing things that we have have degenerated into, as a society, so again, that is just the bicycling community representing a bad progression. I think this group could be what you describe, but that wasn't my intent. I don't mind it turning into anything positive at all, or even nothing. it is just the internets.
i like the idea that it might be a place where ideas are discussed that bring us together though, which I think would be good. It would be nice to talk about constructive ways of talking to others. I think there are ways you can do outreach that people are receptive to, and then ways that get their dander up and shut down your hopes of reaching them. Maybe we could discuss ways to do that....like if you want to get people to lock up better, how do you educate them without them thinking of you as preaching at them, and shutting down? Same thing with any topic....wearing a helmet, being safe, etc.
Part of the creation of this group is just because it seemed like a way to bring the topic itself to the forum. Plus I had to show off my mad art skillz.
Cheers - Lee
Actually, the more public our approach has been, the worse, by large degrees the reaction has been as well.
The internetz has been around for 25yrs?
Is you Al Gore? Granted, I nos Internetz historian.
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