July 2010 CCM

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Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on July 20, 2010 at 7:02pm

Holy crap! It's Picasso!

Barbra Mann said:

What time does the Picassa thing happen??? So exciting!
-Barbra

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:

POST READING YOUR LATEST REPLY

So your primary objective is the off chance that we'll take LSD again? It's seriously not a problem that far up north. There will be people leading the ride who will not be taking 7 days off to ride Ragbrai. So there will not be an issue with finding enough people to cork the drive. And who cares if not everyone gets the memo that it's an underwear ride. When did a mass with a theme ever successfully get everyone to understand? Never I tell you, never. Some people will get the picture and be in their panties and others won't. It'll be fun either way man.

I feel like your real objection is that you just don't like the proposed route itself. If that's the case make your own map and we'll see you at the Picasa.

Permalink Reply by Vilda on July 20, 2010 at 7:37pm

Kevin Conway said:

Holy crap! It's Picasso!

Hahahahaha ;-)

No Barbara, I won't try and divert the lemmings. If I was there I'd be just as culpable as the fools I'm berating

Permalink Reply by Barbra Mann on July 20, 2010 at 7:38pm

I know, I was using Spencer's slang when I said Picasa. Ug, I should have kept with my original route for less drama and not trust the drunk mass to follow me onto the beach. My whole point of doing a map is to make it a peaceful ride. Spencer, why don't you cork Montrose, too, with Andrew. And why don't you do the LSD education at the plaza? That might help alleviate accusations and prove that you don't want police confrontation.
-B

Kevin Conway said:

Holy crap! It's Picasso!

Barbra Mann said:

What time does the Picassa thing happen??? So exciting!
-Barbra

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:

POST READING YOUR LATEST REPLY

So your primary objective is the off chance that we'll take LSD again? It's seriously not a problem that far up north. There will be people leading the ride who will not be taking 7 days off to ride Ragbrai. So there will not be an issue with finding enough people to cork the drive. And who cares if not everyone gets the memo that it's an underwear ride. When did a mass with a theme ever successfully get everyone to understand? Never I tell you, never. Some people will get the picture and be in their panties and others won't. It'll be fun either way man.

I feel like your real objection is that you just don't like the proposed route itself. If that's the case make your own map and we'll see you at the Picasa.

Permalink Reply by Vilda on July 20, 2010 at 7:42pm

Sadly it won't Barbara. See we are talking about drunken idiots. There were cops present last month when the fools rode past and onto LSD. Try educating all ya like, if ya go near LSD you are deliberately taking a risk.

Cops have lost 3 officers in 2 months. They have to deal with our BS 2 months in a row and even after all that we have people saying let's do it, it'll be great. It is great, until something goes wrong.

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 7:51pm

Jason W said:

Agreed. She's stepping up to help. Don't complain about her map, Gabe. Shut up and make your own.

You might not like what Gabe has to say or how he goes about saying it, or that he has a right to voice his concerns here or anywhere else as long as the site ownership or the group admin allows; but do we really want to have an atmosphere around the ride of people telling others to "shut up?"

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 7:52pm

I agree, and glad to see accurate references to what's happened on past rides. The constant revisionism makes me want to scream . . .

jamimaria said:

Huzza to Barbra for making an interesting and thoughtful map for this ride. It's great to see someone step up after having a not so great experience on a ride. It's also awesome that she did this with such foresight that others who don't like the route have plenty of time to come up with a competing route.
I'm a little nervous about crossing Lake Shore Drive because of what happened on the last 2 rides, but ending at the lake can be so nice in the summer. I'll make sure that I'm there trying to help at making the ride a success. I also think that Montrose is a great location for crossing Lake Shore drive because it goes underneath and winds a long way towards the lake. It's not as though we'll just be sitting right next to the Drive when we end.
And if people do choose to go on the drive and get arrested, then that is their choice. There should be a clear mass to follow and an end point. In May there really wasn't a clear end point, which is why I think the ride went onto the drive, I wasn't there, we were supposed to have an end point, but the front wasn't clear on that ride on where it would be and a single person waving hundreds into Lincoln Park didn't work. I believe that something happened in June. For July we have several people who are committed to a peaceful end.

Does that make those people Leaders? I don't know, it's quite possible that no one will follow. These folks weren't elected and are taking it upon themselves to make a pleasant experience for all. Thanks again, Barbra!

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 7:57pm

There's an unfortunate assumption here that having a messy, disorganized ride can be "caused" by a map, or that not having a map guarantees a messy, disorganized ride.
All it takes is a few folks with some pipes on them and a hair of assertiveness working together at the front to get off to a good start, keep the ride massed, pinch off the cowboys, convince the police we've got things under control.
Absolutely no difference in the above whether there happens to be a followed route or not.
I find it absolutely bizarre that all this 'organizing' has not resulted in a single person committing to be at the front and helping as described above.

Kevin Conway said:

There's another way to look at this, Gabe. The sooner CCM can demonstrate some responsibility with respect to forbidden zones, the sooner relations with CPD and the city can be repaired/restored. As of yesterday, the CPD had no plans for an increased police presence on July CCM. The map in its current state bears a warning to stay off LSD. I recommend that the police get a copy of the map at least a couple days in advance with the understanding that ramps onto LSD will be corked and to give the CPD the opportunity to do the same. Barbra did a nice job. Give it a chance.

Gabe said:

So in order to have fun you must go to the beach, and by extension Lake Shore Drive? An excellent leader leads her soldiers to the slaughter?

You have an underwear theme that no one is gonna know about and many of the thousands you referenced will never know. They will come on the ride and go home wondering why that idiot on LSD was drunk, in his underwear, getting the crap kicked outta him by police.

And the corkers you are planning on having at LSD to keep people from goin on is a fail. Ragbrai will have many of our experienced riders, and if the police get a wiff of the Mass goin there they will have it blocked off anyway.

As i wrote to Andrew, it appears you have us staged to fight with each other and the police. Seems like an excellent plan, Leader.

And every mass is fun so saying you are planning a fun mass is redundant.

Avoid 1 problem like Lake Shore Drive and you make yourself a better leader. Take everyone there and you are trying to get into trouble.

And whatever you wrote as a reply is some awful mix of happy, condescension, and an attempt to stay cool all at the same time. It's awful. Argue or be happy or be insulting but don't try all of it so that you are still somehow cool or neutral. Being a leader would mean sticking your neck out and possibly not making friends, or worse angering a friend.

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 8:00pm

In the early years, map makers were drawn and quartered; there were some accords around the 5 year anniversary and since that time they're only burned in effigy.
I'll be happy to show you around the map maker mausoleum once you get here.

Barbra Mann said:

I'm up for July OR August. But I honestly think there is enough time to 'promote' underwear for July. But if I don't commit to following through, who will? and will it be another disaster?? What would July mass DO without me??!! (he he he) I also don't feel comfortable into being bullied by some no-alternative-plan hater...Gabe's ONLY valid point in my opinion is the ending at the lake...which was my ORIGINAL concern and plan...to end elsewhere and even had a map for it but since this is LEADERLESS I decided to not be closed-minded and self-serving and take others' perspectives into consideration. (My original ending point was 4 blocks from my house in the middle of the city while this is many miles from my pad!) Evidence of the LSD concern is somewhere in this thread, I believe. But I now agree with Kevin, it's a great chance to prove to CPD that we can get back on track by our own accord. And Montrose Beach/park is so incredibly beautiful and I don't think I saw any gang-bangers, either. Are we still doing education at the Plaza with a PA system as discussed at the strategy meeting? Someone could tell folks that whoever leads them onto LSD is the least likely to get arrested or hit, but if they follow, they have a good chance of it! Gabe, will you volunteer?
Never thought I'd receive so much flack for doing something well, out of love, and for free. Ay!

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 8:02pm

Sounds like the August ride may be based on the AT&T coverage map of Chicago . . .

jamimaria said:

That's pretty cool. I just got an iPhone and am going to sign up. Thanks!

Paul Gurns said:

Here is link to the route we took last night.

Spencer, this was made using that app I told you about.


http://sportypal.com/Workouts/Details/482607?key=5c2862a28a80796f34...

Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on July 20, 2010 at 8:05pm

In Vienna, there's a gallery of the Hapsburg's hearts displayed in urns. Pretty sure they were all map makers.

H3N3 said:

In the early years, map makers were drawn and quartered; there were some accords around the 5 year anniversary and since that time they're only burned in effigy.
I'll be happy to show you around the map maker mausoleum once you get here.

Barbra Mann said:

I'm up for July OR August. But I honestly think there is enough time to 'promote' underwear for July. But if I don't commit to following through, who will? and will it be another disaster?? What would July mass DO without me??!! (he he he) I also don't feel comfortable into being bullied by some no-alternative-plan hater...Gabe's ONLY valid point in my opinion is the ending at the lake...which was my ORIGINAL concern and plan...to end elsewhere and even had a map for it but since this is LEADERLESS I decided to not be closed-minded and self-serving and take others' perspectives into consideration. (My original ending point was 4 blocks from my house in the middle of the city while this is many miles from my pad!) Evidence of the LSD concern is somewhere in this thread, I believe. But I now agree with Kevin, it's a great chance to prove to CPD that we can get back on track by our own accord. And Montrose Beach/park is so incredibly beautiful and I don't think I saw any gang-bangers, either. Are we still doing education at the Plaza with a PA system as discussed at the strategy meeting? Someone could tell folks that whoever leads them onto LSD is the least likely to get arrested or hit, but if they follow, they have a good chance of it! Gabe, will you volunteer?
Never thought I'd receive so much flack for doing something well, out of love, and for free. Ay!

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 8:07pm

You did it again :-)

Kevin Conway said:

In Vienna, there's a gallery of the Hapsburg's hearts displayed in urns. Pretty sure they were all map makers.

H3N3 said:

In the early years, map makers were drawn and quartered; there were some accords around the 5 year anniversary and since that time they're only burned in effigy.
I'll be happy to show you around the map maker mausoleum once you get here.

Barbra Mann said:

I'm up for July OR August. But I honestly think there is enough time to 'promote' underwear for July. But if I don't commit to following through, who will? and will it be another disaster?? What would July mass DO without me??!! (he he he) I also don't feel comfortable into being bullied by some no-alternative-plan hater...Gabe's ONLY valid point in my opinion is the ending at the lake...which was my ORIGINAL concern and plan...to end elsewhere and even had a map for it but since this is LEADERLESS I decided to not be closed-minded and self-serving and take others' perspectives into consideration. (My original ending point was 4 blocks from my house in the middle of the city while this is many miles from my pad!) Evidence of the LSD concern is somewhere in this thread, I believe. But I now agree with Kevin, it's a great chance to prove to CPD that we can get back on track by our own accord. And Montrose Beach/park is so incredibly beautiful and I don't think I saw any gang-bangers, either. Are we still doing education at the Plaza with a PA system as discussed at the strategy meeting? Someone could tell folks that whoever leads them onto LSD is the least likely to get arrested or hit, but if they follow, they have a good chance of it! Gabe, will you volunteer?
Never thought I'd receive so much flack for doing something well, out of love, and for free. Ay!

Permalink Reply by h' Zerocats on July 20, 2010 at 8:13pm

And on that note, I will get the winning route started in the direction as indicated on the winning map.
Who's with me? Will need to be ready to swing into action around 6.


H3N3 said:

There's an unfortunate assumption here that having a messy, disorganized ride can be "caused" by a map, or that not having a map guarantees a messy, disorganized ride.
All it takes is a few folks with some pipes on them and a hair of assertiveness working together at the front to get off to a good start, keep the ride massed, pinch off the cowboys, convince the police we've got things under control.
Absolutely no difference in the above whether there happens to be a followed route or not.
I find it absolutely bizarre that all this 'organizing' has not resulted in a single person committing to be at the front and helping as described above.

Kevin Conway said:

There's another way to look at this, Gabe. The sooner CCM can demonstrate some responsibility with respect to forbidden zones, the sooner relations with CPD and the city can be repaired/restored. As of yesterday, the CPD had no plans for an increased police presence on July CCM. The map in its current state bears a warning to stay off LSD. I recommend that the police get a copy of the map at least a couple days in advance with the understanding that ramps onto LSD will be corked and to give the CPD the opportunity to do the same. Barbra did a nice job. Give it a chance.

Gabe said:

So in order to have fun you must go to the beach, and by extension Lake Shore Drive? An excellent leader leads her soldiers to the slaughter?

You have an underwear theme that no one is gonna know about and many of the thousands you referenced will never know. They will come on the ride and go home wondering why that idiot on LSD was drunk, in his underwear, getting the crap kicked outta him by police.

And the corkers you are planning on having at LSD to keep people from goin on is a fail. Ragbrai will have many of our experienced riders, and if the police get a wiff of the Mass goin there they will have it blocked off anyway.

As i wrote to Andrew, it appears you have us staged to fight with each other and the police. Seems like an excellent plan, Leader.

And every mass is fun so saying you are planning a fun mass is redundant.

Avoid 1 problem like Lake Shore Drive and you make yourself a better leader. Take everyone there and you are trying to get into trouble.

And whatever you wrote as a reply is some awful mix of happy, condescension, and an attempt to stay cool all at the same time. It's awful. Argue or be happy or be insulting but don't try all of it so that you are still somehow cool or neutral. Being a leader would mean sticking your neck out and possibly not making friends, or worse angering a friend.

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