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Saturday night round 11pm my friend was riding north on damen. He stopped at the top of the overpass at 290 to wait for the lights to change so he wouldn't have to stop at those lights. Out of the shadows somebody ran at him and knocked him off his bike. This caused him to break his clavicle. By the time he hit the ground another person was on top of him taking his bag and bike. They tried to get into his pockets but he started kicking then and traffic had caught up by then and they were honking and stopped these aholes from getting anything else. The cops came and he said that they were very helpfull. He got an abulance to county and was out after a long wait with only the broken clavicle. They eneded up finding his bike at a nearby bar. This majorly sucks for him since he has no insurance. I know that some of you have had simular experiences and I have heard about the victum insurence that would help pay his hospital bills. I would appreciate any info that I could pass on to him about this.

 

Keep it safe out there and keep your eyes open.

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Dammit, I'll have to get two! (a red and a titanium)

Moc Artsy said:
Taser C2 in colors to match you powder-coated frame, Velocity Deep-V's or custom tires. No handlebar bag should be without one.

The pink ones are clearly hate-crime specific.

Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:
Dammit, I'll have to get two! (a red and a titanium)

Moc Artsy said:
Taser C2 in colors to match you powder-coated frame, Velocity Deep-V's or custom tires. No handlebar bag should be without one.

dudes:


MESSAGE FROM UIC POLICE

At 12:15 p.m. (5/31/10) at 716 S. Oakley, a UIC employee was the victim of an armed
robbery. The employee was approached from behind by two male offenders. The first
offender struck the victim on the left side of her head with a chrome-plated
semi-automatic pistol, causing the victim to fall to the ground. The offenders then
took the victim's shoulder bag containing her wallet, cell phone, cash,
identification card and other items, and fled on foot. The victim sustained a
laceration to the head and was transported to the Medical Center for treatment. A
search for the offenders by UIC Police and Chicago Police met with negative results.

The first offender is described as a slender black male, 18-20 years of age, wearing
a black jacket and black baseball cap. The second offender is described a black
male, 18-20 years old, wearing dark clothing and a backpack.
Sadly, UIC sends out messages like this at least once a week.

JD Churchill said:
dudes:


MESSAGE FROM UIC POLICE

At 12:15 p.m. (5/31/10) at 716 S. Oakley, a UIC employee was the victim of an armed
robbery. The employee was approached from behind by two male offenders. The first
offender struck the victim on the left side of her head with a chrome-plated
semi-automatic pistol, causing the victim to fall to the ground. The offenders then
took the victim's shoulder bag containing her wallet, cell phone, cash,
identification card and other items, and fled on foot. The victim sustained a
laceration to the head and was transported to the Medical Center for treatment. A
search for the offenders by UIC Police and Chicago Police met with negative results.

The first offender is described as a slender black male, 18-20 years of age, wearing
a black jacket and black baseball cap. The second offender is described a black
male, 18-20 years old, wearing dark clothing and a backpack.
A few hundred feet from Danny Solis' house.

Joel said:
Sadly, UIC sends out messages like this at least once a week.

JD Churchill said:
dudes:


MESSAGE FROM UIC POLICE

At 12:15 p.m. (5/31/10) at 716 S. Oakley, a UIC employee was the victim of an armed
robbery. The employee was approached from behind by two male offenders. The first
offender struck the victim on the left side of her head with a chrome-plated
semi-automatic pistol, causing the victim to fall to the ground. The offenders then
took the victim's shoulder bag containing her wallet, cell phone, cash,
identification card and other items, and fled on foot. The victim sustained a
laceration to the head and was transported to the Medical Center for treatment. A
search for the offenders by UIC Police and Chicago Police met with negative results.

The first offender is described as a slender black male, 18-20 years of age, wearing
a black jacket and black baseball cap. The second offender is described a black
male, 18-20 years old, wearing dark clothing and a backpack.
Isn't the use of this quality of pepper spray a crime? I believe there is a reason why there is pepper spray intended for humans and then spray for larger prey animals.

T.C. O'Rourke said:
http://www.defensedevices.com/bearpepspray.html

Tried and true.

Pablo said:
Anybody know where can I purchase bear spray?
Oddly, no. That is unless you discharge it in a restaurant, bar or tavern. Pepper spray is pepper spray in the eyes of the Chicago Municipal Code, so you might as well pay up for the good stuff.

8-24-045 Noxious gas or liquid.

(a) No person shall use any device to discharge a noxious gas or liquid in an enclosed room in any Class C-1 or Class C-2 Assembly Unit, as defined in Chapter 13-56 of this Code, or in an enclosed room in any restaurant, bar or tavern that is a Class F Assembly Unit as defined in that chapter, if more than 20 persons are present in that room, unless the person is a peace officer, as defined in Section 8-20-30* of this Code, engaged in law enforcement activity. As used in this section, “noxious gas or liquid” means mace, pepper spray or any other substance that is intended or designed to cause irritation to the eyes, nose or mouth, or to cause nausea.

* Editor's note – As set forth in Coun. J. 4-9-03, p. 106797, § 1; correct cite appears to be § 8-20-030.

(b) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor that is punishable by a fine $500.00, or 30 days imprisonment, or both, for each offense.

(Added Coun. J. 4-9-03, p. 106979, § 1)

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:
Isn't the use of this quality of pepper spray a crime? I believe there is a reason why there is pepper spray intended for humans and then spray for larger prey animals.
T.C. O'Rourke said:
http://www.defensedevices.com/bearpepspray.html

Tried and true. Pablo said:
Anybody know where can I purchase bear spray?
It is not criminal.

The content of this particular spray is no different than those sold for self defense. It is just a more common product for consumers looking for a larger quantity. The capsicum content is far lower than that used by the police and pepper spray (derived from hot peppers) is far safer than mace (chemicals).

I greatly prefer pepper spray to stun guns, which use batteries, are breakable (fail), may not work through clothing, are pretty weak and worst of all require close proximity to your attacker.

My understanding is that an application and 120 waiting period is also required for Chicago residents wishing to purchase a stun gun, but this is unenforceable. Since I feel they are inferior, I'm not gonna spend any time researching this.

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:
Isn't the use of this quality of pepper spray a crime? I believe there is a reason why there is pepper spray intended for humans and then spray for larger prey animals.

T.C. O'Rourke said:
http://www.defensedevices.com/bearpepspray.html

Tried and true.

Pablo said:
Anybody know where can I purchase bear spray?

Also I don't want to be a downer but whoever posted the link to the coldsteel.com was giving illegal advice. The City of Chicago Municipal Code 8-24-020, makes it illegal for a person 18 and under to possess a knife with a blade longer than 2 inches and if you are over 18, a knife no longer than 2 1/2". In addition it states that knifes cannot be intended for use against persons so the one knife on coldsteel.com that is 2 1/4" in blade length would still be considered illegal because it has no applicable use outside of punching into flesh.

If you must have a knife you need to make sure you can argue that it's intent is for purposes of utility. Typically this is a box cutter or a locking knife. To the right you'll see a photo of my Chrome bag with a Gerber Mini Paraframe Serrated Knife pushed through the belt clip loop. I use this knife almost daily for regular cutting purposes so it's a little worn but if I am stopped and searched by an officer I would have no worry about it being attached to my bag. I can prove I use it for more than stabbing someone simply by showing the wear on the blade. Not to mention it is a 1/4" below the limit.
Thanks Kevin! I may get some mace!

Kevin Conway said:
Oddly, no. That is unless you discharge it in a restaurant, bar or tavern. Pepper spray is pepper spray in the eyes of the Chicago Municipal Code, so you might as well pay up for the good stuff.

8-24-045 Noxious gas or liquid.

(a) No person shall use any device to discharge a noxious gas or liquid in an enclosed room in any Class C-1 or Class C-2 Assembly Unit, as defined in Chapter 13-56 of this Code, or in an enclosed room in any restaurant, bar or tavern that is a Class F Assembly Unit as defined in that chapter, if more than 20 persons are present in that room, unless the person is a peace officer, as defined in Section 8-20-30* of this Code, engaged in law enforcement activity. As used in this section, “noxious gas or liquid” means mace, pepper spray or any other substance that is intended or designed to cause irritation to the eyes, nose or mouth, or to cause nausea.

* Editor's note – As set forth in Coun. J. 4-9-03, p. 106797, § 1; correct cite appears to be § 8-20-030.

(b) Any person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor that is punishable by a fine $500.00, or 30 days imprisonment, or both, for each offense.

(Added Coun. J. 4-9-03, p. 106979, § 1)

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:
Isn't the use of this quality of pepper spray a crime? I believe there is a reason why there is pepper spray intended for humans and then spray for larger prey animals.
T.C. O'Rourke said:
http://www.defensedevices.com/bearpepspray.html

Tried and true. Pablo said:
Anybody know where can I purchase bear spray?
From what I've read, pepper spray is more "effective" than mace. Might be time for a chainlink "group buy."

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:
Thanks Kevin! I may get some mace!

Kevin Conway said:
Oddly, no. That is unless you discharge it in a restaurant, bar or tavern. Pepper spray is pepper spray in the eyes of the Chicago Municipal Code, so you might as well pay up for the good stuff.
Also, consider that it isn't an easy thing to stab somebody. It takes nerve, strength and some skill, not to mention close proximity. Relying on merely brandishing a weapon is a way to get your ass kicked harder, or worse.

I've pulled a knife on attackers, but only because I was otherwise unarmed. It should really be a last option.

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:

Also I don't want to be a downer but whoever posted the link to the coldsteel.com was giving illegal advice. The City of Chicago Municipal Code 8-24-020, makes it illegal for a person 18 and under to possess a knife with a blade longer than 2 inches and if you are over 18, a knife no longer than 2 1/2". In addition it states that knifes cannot be intended for use against persons so the one knife on coldsteel.com that is 2 1/4" in blade length would still be considered illegal because it has no applicable use outside of punching into flesh.

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