six-dollar gas tax

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on May 12, 2010 at 4:06pm

You apparently never began to use any form of easily understandable sentence structure, and that makes me sad...

Thank you for being direct; with the knowledge that you are a legitimate crack pot I will, maybe, be able to ignore you.

Of course it would still be nice if you gave a direct answer or two to my questions; it helps to demonstrate that you are actually putting rational thought into your plan and not just living in a fantasy world like, you know, a crazy person.
jillnerkowski said:

notoriousDUG said:

How can you say that any of those things are going to be the result of this? Because you want it to be like that?

Jill, let me ask you a very, very serious question: Why have you not answered a single one of my questions directly? You just react to them by shooting off onto another tangent with another short-sighted idea that makes little to no sense when looked at practically. You are making massive assumptions about possible money saved and how the government would use those funds in order to justify what as not become either a massive government entitlement program (giving people cars) or a complete and total trampling of our freedom (telling people what to buy).

I ask again, because I really want to know, are you really a complete whack job or are you just fucking with us to be a complete pain in the ass?

Do yourself, myself, and everyone else here and just stop.

jillnerkowski said:

plus besides the war costs, if the govt. doesnt actually have to purchase oil, it might save some money from the actual costs of oil, which may not all go back into the govt. by the time all is said and done.

plus dan, with the change over to alterantives, much of these will be bicycles and new bike lanes, covering more miles than ever for making bicycling safer , more fun, and more practical. we may even two significant lanes, one for vehicles travelling more than 35 miles per hour ,and one for those travelling less than 35 miles or less.
these may be various mopeds and motor scooters, electric bikes ,and, three wheel covered electric bikes, and things four wheel sophisticated gocarts.
with additional taxes, we may be able to cover all the major routes form the suburbs to the cities with just such bike lanes so that we never have to hear again , oh bicycle riding is a good idea, and its healthy and green and all but its not for me. everything is too far where I live.

well notorious dug,directly, I was once for a awhile labelled as crazy, but after awhile I began to keep my crazy ideas both and hold my own so that I can pass as normally acceptable to live in society.

Permalink Reply by Roger on May 12, 2010 at 4:25pm

Ali - Personally, after reading a bunch of your posts here, I can honestly say that I think you are a jerk. You come off as condescending, arrogant, sarcastic, and totally unwilling to except or respect view points that are not your own. I usually make it a point not to argue with jerks as it is pointless and futile. I am making an exception for you as I think you need to be... hit by a train. You may be right that there is not enough fast food grease to power every boat in every ocean right now, but I think that you need to realize that humans can grow efficient oil producing vegetables at a much higher rate (as well as much lower cost along with a much lower environmental impact) than we can dig holes in the ground and soak up oil deposits that have been created over thousands and thousands of years. Jeopardizing the ecosystems of our coast lines, contaminating the air we breath and the water we drink, and continuing to blindly support the oil industry is not an option in my opinion. The oil and auto industry does not, and never will, advocate for cleaner energy sources, environmentally sound energy production, or affordable and renewable energy sources, so it is up to consumers, like me, to take action and aggressively advocate and promote clean, renewable energy sources. I brought up the point that grease fueled diesel engines are a viable, affordable, efficient, environmentally sound, renewable and readily available alternative fuel source to petroleum and you hoped on your high horse, called me stupid, and gave me a list of impossibilities. As a result, I have decided to take the following action.
1) Call you a jerk
2) Make sure that anyone who reads this post understands why I think you are a jerk
3) Forward your message to greasecar.com's founder, Justin Carven, and let him decide whether or not to educate you on the financial and environmental benefits of converting to grease/vegetable diesel fuels on a local/national/global scale.
4) Permanently boycott BP, Exxon Mobil, and their conglomerates.
4) Pledge to buy a diesel as my next automobile and convert it to a grease car.
5) Call you a jerk, again.

I think that you have a rotten attitude on this website and I hope that you can rope in your disdain for people who want to have a positive impact on our surrounds, our community, and our environment. I hope you think of me next time you choke while riding behind a conventional 18 wheeler, because I will think of you next time that happens to me and wonder why you won't want things to be better than they are right now.

You are a jerk.

To anyone else reading this post: the tone in general on these posts has gotten very nasty, mine included. I'd like to see the personal attacks end (now that I've gotten all my name calling out of the way).
Ali said:

Are you suggesting that there are enough grease to power all the locomotives, all the trucks, and all the ships? There is absolutely no way...

I will give you an example...A diesel engine consumes .2 liters of fuel per hour per hp. A small cargo ship will have 15,000 HP engine which granted will not be run at 100% due to wear and tear related as well as efficiency drops as the engine is pushed...But let's assume they are running at 80%. So .8x15,000x.2=2400 liters of grease... 2400/3.6=667 gallons of grease an hour...Just to run one ship and that is given that it has similar caloric content because if not then the engine will need to be run differently...Anyways at any given moment there are thousands of these ships along the U.S. coast and this is not even taking into account, larger ships such as super container ships with 100,000 HP diesels, not to mention that you still have to add the recreational boaters to this. And then add the locomotives with an average of 6000 HP x a few hundred of those...Boy if we try to eat that much fried food for the sake of the environment we will all die in our 40's...But eating fried food is obviously the greener choice...Please do a little bit of research before suggesting an idea as stupid as this and not regurgitate someone else BS...

-Ali

Roger said:

greasecar.com. These diesel engines run on used, post consumer, vegetable oil. The kind of oil that every restaurant that uses a deep fryer has to pay to get ride of. The environmental impact is lower that petroleum, the availability is unbelievably higher, it is a renewable resource, and it saves money from every angle of production.

This is not a new idea, in fact, diesel engines were designed to run on a whole myriad of fuels. Guess who doesn't want you to know that.

In short, the solution to fossil fuels already exists. The fact that the US is afraid to implement them is due to the public lack of knowledge. The nail in to coffin to the argument of a non viable "grease engine" is the fact that Wal Mart (arguably the most money hungry and socially irresponsible business in the US) has a whole fleet of these green machines delivering lead coated toys to our nations children at super low prices. When you don't pay for gas, delivery is more profitable.

I hope this helps you realize that there are solutions to this giant problem that is currently killing the Gulf of Mexico.

notoriousDUG said:

OK, tell me a readily available fuel source, one that is not based on a staple of our food supply, that is going to be able to, in less than two years, replace diesel fuel.

Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on May 12, 2010 at 4:32pm

jillnerkowski said:

notoriousDUG said:

How can you say that any of those things are going to be the result of this? Because you want it to be like that?

Jill, let me ask you a very, very serious question: Why have you not answered a single one of my questions directly? You just react to them by shooting off onto another tangent with another short-sighted idea that makes little to no sense when looked at practically. You are making massive assumptions about possible money saved and how the government would use those funds in order to justify what as not become either a massive government entitlement program (giving people cars) or a complete and total trampling of our freedom (telling people what to buy).

I ask again, because I really want to know, are you really a complete whack job or are you just fucking with us to be a complete pain in the ass?

Do yourself, myself, and everyone else here and just stop.

jillnerkowski said:

plus besides the war costs, if the govt. doesnt actually have to purchase oil, it might save some money from the actual costs of oil, which may not all go back into the govt. by the time all is said and done.

plus dan, with the change over to alterantives, much of these will be bicycles and new bike lanes, covering more miles than ever for making bicycling safer , more fun, and more practical. we may even two significant lanes, one for vehicles travelling more than 35 miles per hour ,and one for those travelling less than 35 miles or less.
these may be various mopeds and motor scooters, electric bikes ,and, three wheel covered electric bikes, and things four wheel sophisticated gocarts.
with additional taxes, we may be able to cover all the major routes form the suburbs to the cities with just such bike lanes so that we never have to hear again , oh bicycle riding is a good idea, and its healthy and green and all but its not for me. everything is too far where I live.

well notorious dug,directly, I was once for a awhile labelled as crazy, but after awhile I began to keep my crazy ideas both and hold my own so that I can pass as normally acceptable to live in society.

I found some ChapStick on the way to work today!

Permalink Reply by Dr. Doom on May 12, 2010 at 4:43pm

Roger said:

tl;dr

As far as I can tell the only time you've posted here is to advocate restructuring the entire global economy to run on fryer grease and now you're not only calling someone a jerk for discussing your crackpot ideas, but threatening to inflict some father-moron on us? GTFO with this.

Permalink Reply by Shay on May 12, 2010 at 4:44pm

Don't use it, Ryan. You might get a cold sore and then your lips will fall off.

Tank-Ridin' Ryan


I found some ChapStick on the way to work today!

Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on May 12, 2010 at 4:56pm

Cold sores make your lips fall off? That's a new one!

I was going to use it for my bike per these instructions:

Reply by jillnerkowski on May 10, 2010 at 12:54pm
to tank ridin' ryan:
you can keep half an eye on the road below and pick up all dropped and discarded liquid lip balm products or any silicon based lubricants for any body part,hair included, those work the best on chains.


Shay said:

Don't use it, Ryan. You might get a cold sore and then your lips will fall off.

Tank-Ridin' Ryan


I found some ChapStick on the way to work today!

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on May 12, 2010 at 5:52pm

I'm not trying to be a jerk but I do want to point out that the second we take food staples and start making them a large scale fuel product things are, in my opinion, going to get ugly price wise for both food and fuel.

Just sayin'

Roger said:

Ali - Personally, after reading a bunch of your posts here, I can honestly say that I think you are a jerk. You come off as condescending, arrogant, sarcastic, and totally unwilling to except or respect view points that are not your own. I usually make it a point not to argue with jerks as it is pointless and futile. I am making an exception for you as I think you need to be... hit by a train. You may be right that there is not enough fast food grease to power every boat in every ocean right now, but I think that you need to realize that humans can grow efficient oil producing vegetables at a much higher rate (as well as much lower cost along with a much lower environmental impact) than we can dig holes in the ground and soak up oil deposits that have been created over thousands and thousands of years. Jeopardizing the ecosystems of our coast lines, contaminating the air we breath and the water we drink, and continuing to blindly support the oil industry is not an option in my opinion. The oil and auto industry does not, and never will, advocate for cleaner energy sources, environmentally sound energy production, or affordable and renewable energy sources, so it is up to consumers, like me, to take action and aggressively advocate and promote clean, renewable energy sources. I brought up the point that grease fueled diesel engines are a viable, affordable, efficient, environmentally sound, renewable and readily available alternative fuel source to petroleum and you hoped on your high horse, called me stupid, and gave me a list of impossibilities. As a result, I have decided to take the following action.
1) Call you a jerk
2) Make sure that anyone who reads this post understands why I think you are a jerk
3) Forward your message to greasecar.com's founder, Justin Carven, and let him decide whether or not to educate you on the financial and environmental benefits of converting to grease/vegetable diesel fuels on a local/national/global scale.
4) Permanently boycott BP, Exxon Mobil, and their conglomerates.
4) Pledge to buy a diesel as my next automobile and convert it to a grease car.
5) Call you a jerk, again.

I think that you have a rotten attitude on this website and I hope that you can rope in your disdain for people who want to have a positive impact on our surrounds, our community, and our environment. I hope you think of me next time you choke while riding behind a conventional 18 wheeler, because I will think of you next time that happens to me and wonder why you won't want things to be better than they are right now.

You are a jerk.

To anyone else reading this post: the tone in general on these posts has gotten very nasty, mine included. I'd like to see the personal attacks end (now that I've gotten all my name calling out of the way).
Ali said:

Are you suggesting that there are enough grease to power all the locomotives, all the trucks, and all the ships? There is absolutely no way...

I will give you an example...A diesel engine consumes .2 liters of fuel per hour per hp. A small cargo ship will have 15,000 HP engine which granted will not be run at 100% due to wear and tear related as well as efficiency drops as the engine is pushed...But let's assume they are running at 80%. So .8x15,000x.2=2400 liters of grease... 2400/3.6=667 gallons of grease an hour...Just to run one ship and that is given that it has similar caloric content because if not then the engine will need to be run differently...Anyways at any given moment there are thousands of these ships along the U.S. coast and this is not even taking into account, larger ships such as super container ships with 100,000 HP diesels, not to mention that you still have to add the recreational boaters to this. And then add the locomotives with an average of 6000 HP x a few hundred of those...Boy if we try to eat that much fried food for the sake of the environment we will all die in our 40's...But eating fried food is obviously the greener choice...Please do a little bit of research before suggesting an idea as stupid as this and not regurgitate someone else BS...

-Ali

Roger said:

greasecar.com. These diesel engines run on used, post consumer, vegetable oil. The kind of oil that every restaurant that uses a deep fryer has to pay to get ride of. The environmental impact is lower that petroleum, the availability is unbelievably higher, it is a renewable resource, and it saves money from every angle of production.

This is not a new idea, in fact, diesel engines were designed to run on a whole myriad of fuels. Guess who doesn't want you to know that.

In short, the solution to fossil fuels already exists. The fact that the US is afraid to implement them is due to the public lack of knowledge. The nail in to coffin to the argument of a non viable "grease engine" is the fact that Wal Mart (arguably the most money hungry and socially irresponsible business in the US) has a whole fleet of these green machines delivering lead coated toys to our nations children at super low prices. When you don't pay for gas, delivery is more profitable.

I hope this helps you realize that there are solutions to this giant problem that is currently killing the Gulf of Mexico.

notoriousDUG said:

OK, tell me a readily available fuel source, one that is not based on a staple of our food supply, that is going to be able to, in less than two years, replace diesel fuel.

Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on May 12, 2010 at 5:54pm

Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:

jillnerkowski said:

notoriousDUG said:

How can you say that any of those things are going to be the result of this? Because you want it to be like that?

Jill, let me ask you a very, very serious question: Why have you not answered a single one of my questions directly? You just react to them by shooting off onto another tangent with another short-sighted idea that makes little to no sense when looked at practically. You are making massive assumptions about possible money saved and how the government would use those funds in order to justify what as not become either a massive government entitlement program (giving people cars) or a complete and total trampling of our freedom (telling people what to buy).

I ask again, because I really want to know, are you really a complete whack job or are you just fucking with us to be a complete pain in the ass?

Do yourself, myself, and everyone else here and just stop.

jillnerkowski said:

plus besides the war costs, if the govt. doesnt actually have to purchase oil, it might save some money from the actual costs of oil, which may not all go back into the govt. by the time all is said and done.

plus dan, with the change over to alterantives, much of these will be bicycles and new bike lanes, covering more miles than ever for making bicycling safer , more fun, and more practical. we may even two significant lanes, one for vehicles travelling more than 35 miles per hour ,and one for those travelling less than 35 miles or less.
these may be various mopeds and motor scooters, electric bikes ,and, three wheel covered electric bikes, and things four wheel sophisticated gocarts.
with additional taxes, we may be able to cover all the major routes form the suburbs to the cities with just such bike lanes so that we never have to hear again , oh bicycle riding is a good idea, and its healthy and green and all but its not for me. everything is too far where I live.

well notorious dug,directly, I was once for a awhile labelled as crazy, but after awhile I began to keep my crazy ideas both and hold my own so that I can pass as normally acceptable to live in society.

I found some ChapStick on the way to work today!

I am happy to report that due to this posting I am now made to smile by this thread.

Permalink Reply by Kevin C Dormant on May 12, 2010 at 7:05pm

I found some ChapStick on the way to work today!
I am happy to report that due to this posting I am now made to smile by this thread.

This reminds me of a little joke:

Q: How many ADD kids does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Hey! Wanna ride bikes?

Permalink Reply by Michael Perz on May 12, 2010 at 8:42pm

Yeah!



Where does your dad work?










I have a cat.



Kevin Conway said:

I found some ChapStick on the way to work today!
I am happy to report that due to this posting I am now made to smile by this thread.

This reminds me of a little joke:

Q: How many ADD kids does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

A: Hey! Wanna ride bikes?

Permalink Reply by Ali on May 13, 2010 at 10:36am

Roger, I think you misunderstood me, I was not being a jerk, I was calling you out on your narrow fielded point of view that was unrealistic at best...

For you to suggest grease as an alternative and a viable energy source was just stupid, and you got called on it...Not happy about it I see! Oh well, did you ever take a second to think about if this environmental guru you are talking about has anything to gain...Oh wait! He is selling all kinds of stuff for grease cars...Maybe he is making a profit and has led gullible people such as yourself to believe that grease of all things is the end all fuel source...It all sounds good for you until someone like myself breaks it down and shows you the numbers...Do you seriously think that we can just ween ourselves of off oil that easily? Just buy a bunch of these conversion kits, and pull-up to the nearest McDonald's and fill up! Oh wait there is a line on this one, go down the road and try again...

Call me a jerk all you want, but at least I am not as stupid or gullible as you, and at least know a little about the subject I am talking about through experience, and not reading some figures off of a website as well as some copy and think "Geez, here is the solution to dependence on fossil fuels!"

And I hope the train that runs me over, is powered by grease, at least it will be a clean death! In the meantime you are more likely to get run over by a bus or a truck that is powered by diesel fuel driven from fossil fuels...

-Ali


Roger said:

Ali - Personally, after reading a bunch of your posts here, I can honestly say that I think you are a jerk. You come off as condescending, arrogant, sarcastic, and totally unwilling to except or respect view points that are not your own. I usually make it a point not to argue with jerks as it is pointless and futile. I am making an exception for you as I think you need to be... hit by a train. You may be right that there is not enough fast food grease to power every boat in every ocean right now, but I think that you need to realize that humans can grow efficient oil producing vegetables at a much higher rate (as well as much lower cost along with a much lower environmental impact) than we can dig holes in the ground and soak up oil deposits that have been created over thousands and thousands of years. Jeopardizing the ecosystems of our coast lines, contaminating the air we breath and the water we drink, and continuing to blindly support the oil industry is not an option in my opinion. The oil and auto industry does not, and never will, advocate for cleaner energy sources, environmentally sound energy production, or affordable and renewable energy sources, so it is up to consumers, like me, to take action and aggressively advocate and promote clean, renewable energy sources. I brought up the point that grease fueled diesel engines are a viable, affordable, efficient, environmentally sound, renewable and readily available alternative fuel source to petroleum and you hoped on your high horse, called me stupid, and gave me a list of impossibilities. As a result, I have decided to take the following action.
1) Call you a jerk
2) Make sure that anyone who reads this post understands why I think you are a jerk
3) Forward your message to greasecar.com's founder, Justin Carven, and let him decide whether or not to educate you on the financial and environmental benefits of converting to grease/vegetable diesel fuels on a local/national/global scale.
4) Permanently boycott BP, Exxon Mobil, and their conglomerates.
4) Pledge to buy a diesel as my next automobile and convert it to a grease car.
5) Call you a jerk, again.

I think that you have a rotten attitude on this website and I hope that you can rope in your disdain for people who want to have a positive impact on our surrounds, our community, and our environment. I hope you think of me next time you choke while riding behind a conventional 18 wheeler, because I will think of you next time that happens to me and wonder why you won't want things to be better than they are right now.

You are a jerk.

To anyone else reading this post: the tone in general on these posts has gotten very nasty, mine included. I'd like to see the personal attacks end (now that I've gotten all my name calling out of the way).
Ali said:

Are you suggesting that there are enough grease to power all the locomotives, all the trucks, and all the ships? There is absolutely no way...

I will give you an example...A diesel engine consumes .2 liters of fuel per hour per hp. A small cargo ship will have 15,000 HP engine which granted will not be run at 100% due to wear and tear related as well as efficiency drops as the engine is pushed...But let's assume they are running at 80%. So .8x15,000x.2=2400 liters of grease... 2400/3.6=667 gallons of grease an hour...Just to run one ship and that is given that it has similar caloric content because if not then the engine will need to be run differently...Anyways at any given moment there are thousands of these ships along the U.S. coast and this is not even taking into account, larger ships such as super container ships with 100,000 HP diesels, not to mention that you still have to add the recreational boaters to this. And then add the locomotives with an average of 6000 HP x a few hundred of those...Boy if we try to eat that much fried food for the sake of the environment we will all die in our 40's...But eating fried food is obviously the greener choice...Please do a little bit of research before suggesting an idea as stupid as this and not regurgitate someone else BS...

-Ali

Roger said:

greasecar.com. These diesel engines run on used, post consumer, vegetable oil. The kind of oil that every restaurant that uses a deep fryer has to pay to get ride of. The environmental impact is lower that petroleum, the availability is unbelievably higher, it is a renewable resource, and it saves money from every angle of production.

This is not a new idea, in fact, diesel engines were designed to run on a whole myriad of fuels. Guess who doesn't want you to know that.

In short, the solution to fossil fuels already exists. The fact that the US is afraid to implement them is due to the public lack of knowledge. The nail in to coffin to the argument of a non viable "grease engine" is the fact that Wal Mart (arguably the most money hungry and socially irresponsible business in the US) has a whole fleet of these green machines delivering lead coated toys to our nations children at super low prices. When you don't pay for gas, delivery is more profitable.

I hope this helps you realize that there are solutions to this giant problem that is currently killing the Gulf of Mexico.

notoriousDUG said:

OK, tell me a readily available fuel source, one that is not based on a staple of our food supply, that is going to be able to, in less than two years, replace diesel fuel.

Permalink Reply by Tony Adams on May 13, 2010 at 12:54pm

Adriana said:

Oh my...I will not touch this with an infinite length of pole. As an asthmatic, I value my breath. I will say this though; in 5 or so billion years when our sun runs out of hydrogen, none of this will matter anyway. So when I say I am Big Picture, I mean BIG PICTURE...group hug now awwwwwwwweeeee.

Peak hydrogen?

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