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I've noticed that bikers use a lot of bottled water. I stopped using bottled water when I learned that every Figi bottle goes to supporting the Iloilo Military Junta. (source: Treehugger / Mother Jones)


The Story of Bottled Water, released on March 22, 2010 (World Water Day) employs the Story of Stuff style to tell the story of manufactured demand—how you get Americans to buy more than half a billion bottles of water every week when it already flows from the tap. Over five minutes, the film explores the bottled water industrys attacks on tap water and its use of seductive, environmental-themed advertising to cover up the mountains of plastic waste it produces. The film concludes with a call to take back the tap, not only by making a personal commitment to avoid bottled water, but by supporting investments in clean, available tap water for all.

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A good friend of mine is part of a Chicago organization called No Foam Chicago that is trying to get restaurants to ban styrofoam take out containers.
http://www.stopcorporateabuse.org/think-outside-bottle/
I have supported the nonprofit who made this film for years. Check out their other campaigns including Value the meal.

jen
I just finished "The Origins of Virtue" by Ridley, and (i've read this in other places too) there were plenty of examples of people throughout history sharing resources. Groups of people far larger than The Dunbar Number (150) have been able to share things like irrigation systems, grazing land, and fishing (as many as 15000 people), without the problems of the Tragedy of the Commons. The key seems to be they all had equal ownership, so they had an incentive to not only not overgraze or overfish and to not pollute, but to also hold their neighbors accountable.

How could that be applied to land saved for its natural beauty? Certainly that land has value people will pay to go camp or visit there. Maybe there is a way to apply those principles. I have wondered the same about air and water pollution. It's hard to imagine but what if legal structures could be created like that?

Anyway it is a very interesting book.
Chris B said:...The key seems to be they all had equal ownership, so they had an incentive to not only not overgraze or overfish and to not pollute, but to also hold their neighbors accountable...

La propriété, c'est le vol!
Hmmm. Also noteworthy...

"Where shall we find a power capable of counter-balancing the State? There is none other than property... The absolute right of the State is in conflict with the absolute right of the property owner. Private property is the greatest revolutionary force which exists with an unequaled capacity for setting itself against authority..... and the principal function of private property within the political system will be to act as a counterweight to the power of the State, and by so doing to insure the liberty of the individual."

We now return you to your original discussion, already in progress.

Spencer "Thunderball" Thayer! said:
La propriété, c'est le vol!
On a note oddly related to the topic at hand, collecting rainwater in the state of Utah may no longer be illegal. Proposed legislation would allow state residents to do so provided that they register with the state first.
I think chicago tap water tastes pretty good. I've had out of town guests who have noticed the same thing. Tho, you can always tell when they've chlorined it.

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