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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on February 15, 2010 at 6:42am

So what is basically the cheapest (actually it's a great value, low price decent quality) fixed wheel set on the market today now counts as 'vintage?' Sweet, I am so selling my wheel set now, it has to be worth a fortune because it's 'vintage!'

I would buy new chain ring bolts because it's doing it the 'right' way, same goes for the bars. Now this is not to say I would not do that on my own bike, because I have, but then again I was doing that on my own bike, not one I was building for somebody else...

My daily ride is all cartridge bearing and it spins as smooth as glass and is pretty much service free. In fact I would say the wheels spin at least as good as my loose ball ones on the fixed gear and I know for a fact that the cartridge bottom bracket on my fixed gear spins smoother then the loose ball one ever did.

ishnock aka the blue baron said:

The rims are not brand new,so thank you for the compliment ...I bought them used
from vintage bike shop on Milwaukee and division...they were horrible at first,a lot of grinding in the hubs because the bearings
were shit,and the dust cap cones needed to be reshaped.....I did all off that,plus I polished those bad babys with simichrome and some serious elbow grease.....

Why buy new chainring bolts when you have a hacksaw and a grinder in the shop???...
That's lazy.

Why buy crappy off the shelf bullhorns when you got a hacksaw and a grinder in the shop????...

Nothing compares to loose bearings....you will not get the same silky smooth revolution .the spin with 3 piece bottom brackets is like
heaven when you are pedaling.

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Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on February 15, 2010 at 6:43am

Thank you Doug! FINALLY someone actually got it. I just wish it was bluebaron instead.

Now, baron, don't you have some sawing and filing to do?

notoriousDUG said:

Don't cut off the derailer hanger; why make a bike less versatile? If you want a clean hanger free look GO BUY A REAL TRACK FRAME! Cutting of hangers, shifter mounts and other stuff is just ruining a frame for others. ishnock aka the blue baron said:

I am a man got damn it !...lol

I use 3 piece bottom brackets..none of that sealed cartridge crap..... I sand off all oxidation, prime and touch up paint with automobile paint pens

I overhaul hubs for crying out loud

nothing but loose bearings in my headsets....no retainers!

I grind my own chainring nuts got damit!!!...lol

I cut my own bars.....

I am a man!......I ate some gun powder and hung a needle nose plier from my gonads while building this bike....


I AM MAN!!!!!!



Tank-Ridin' Ryan said:

Be a man and hacksaw that hanger!

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Permalink Reply by ishnock aka the blue baron on February 15, 2010 at 7:01am

In my specs, I said nothing about vintage ...It clearly says refurbished rims, meaning they were repaired, which they were.

Vingtage bike shop is just the name of the shop because they take old vintage bikes and rebuild them.


As far as chainring bolts ...Its called customizing, being creative and making your own pieces, and not depending on someone else or wasting money....so hopefully, one day, I might be able to sell my own customized bolts to lazy fuckers such as yourself.

The patron wanted me to re-use his double ring crankset, and since the bolts on the chainring were kickass and beautiful, I customized them to fit the inner ring that I took from the crankset.

As far as what you explicated regarding cartridge bottom brackets, you can go jump in lake michigan with that .. . I'll take an old three piece bottom bracket, refurbish that fucker, and make any cartridge on the market look like shit......and while you're constantly throwing away bottom brackets at 30 dollars a pop, I'll be riding silky smooth with the same bottom bracket over and over and over and over and over.







notoriousDUG said:

So what is basically the cheapest (actually it's a great value, low price decent quality) fixed wheel set on the market today now counts as 'vintage?' Sweet, I am so selling my wheel set now, it has to be worth a fortune because it's 'vintage!'
I would buy new chain ring bolts because it's doing it the 'right' way, same goes for the bars. Now this is not to say I would not do that on my own bike, because I have, but then again I was doing that on my own bike, not one I was building for somebody else...
My daily ride is all cartridge bearing and it spins as smooth as glass and is pretty much service free. In fact I would say the wheels spin at least as good as my loose ball ones on the fixed gear and I know for a fact that the cartridge bottom bracket on my fixed gear spins smoother then the loose ball one ever did.

ishnock aka the blue baron said:

The rims are not brand new,so thank you for the compliment ...I bought them used
from vintage bike shop on Milwaukee and division...they were horrible at first,a lot of grinding in the hubs because the bearings
were shit,and the dust cap cones needed to be reshaped.....I did all off that,plus I polished those bad babys with simichrome and some serious elbow grease..... Why buy new chainring bolts when you have a hacksaw and a grinder in the shop???...
That's lazy.

Why buy crappy off the shelf bullhorns when you got a hacksaw and a grinder in the shop????...

Nothing compares to loose bearings....you will not get the same silky smooth revolution .the spin with 3 piece bottom brackets is like
heaven when you are pedaling.

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on February 15, 2010 at 10:01am

ishnock aka the blue baron said:

In my specs, I said nothing about vintage ...It clearly says refurbished rims, meaning they were repaired, which they were.

Vingtage bike shop is just the name of the shop because they take old vintage bikes and rebuild them.


As far as chainring bolts ...Its called customizing, being creative and making your own pieces, and not depending on someone else or wasting money....so hopefully, one day, I might be able to sell my own customized bolts to lazy fuckers such as yourself.

The patron wanted me to re-use his double ring crankset, and since the bolts on the chainring were kickass and beautiful, I customized them to fit the inner ring that I took from the crankset.

As far as what you explicated regarding cartridge bottom brackets, you can go jump in lake michigan with that .. . I'll take an old three piece bottom bracket, refurbish that fucker, and make any cartridge on the market look like shit......and while you're constantly throwing away bottom brackets at 30 dollars a pop, I'll be riding silky smooth with the same bottom bracket over and over and over and over and over.

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Permalink Reply by Doug Haynes on February 15, 2010 at 11:34am

Wow, I really wish that had properly saved everything I had typed out...

Long story short somebody paid you to do that and you chose to hack up something rather then make the right part. You did not 'customize' the bolts, you modified the incorrect part to work and, depending on how it was done and the precision to which you did it may have created a part that is a problem or future headache waiting to happen. Mind you, I have done the exact same thing, on my own bike but this is something you are doing for another person and, I assume, for money.

As for bottom brackets you do know your loose ball one wears out as well, those cups are not going to last forever no matter how much you grease and adjust them. Mine is going to last for a year or two with little to no maintenance; the time I would spend maintaining the loose ball BB is worth the small extra cost. I'm sorry but a good set of sealed bearing are going to spin just as well as loose ball ones; if loose ball bearings where so much better why do you never see them used in any kind of machinery or equipment?

Oh, and trim the cable housing!

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Permalink Reply by ishnock aka the blue baron on February 15, 2010 at 11:37am

We agree to disagree.

thanx.

notoriousDUG said:

Wow, I really wish that had properly saved everything I had typed out...

Long story short somebody paid you to do that and you chose to hack up something rather then make the right part. You did not 'customize' the bolts, you modified the incorrect part to work and, depending on how it was done and the precision to which you did it may have created a part that is a problem or future headache waiting to happen. Mind you, I have done the exact same thing, on my own bike but this is something you are doing for another person and, I assume, for money.

As for bottom brackets you do know your loose ball one wears out as well, those cups are not going to last forever no matter how much you grease and adjust them. Mine is going to last for a year or two with little to no maintenance; the time I would spend maintaining the loose ball BB is worth the small extra cost. I'm sorry but a good set of sealed bearing are going to spin just as well as loose ball ones; if loose ball bearings where so much better why do you never see them used in any kind of machinery or equipment?

Oh, and trim the cable housing!

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Permalink Reply by Tank-Ridin' Ryan on February 15, 2010 at 11:42am

I doubt that's the way Doug feels about it.

ishnock aka the blue baron said:

We agree to disagree.

thanx.

notoriousDUG said:

Wow, I really wish that had properly saved everything I had typed out...

Long story short somebody paid you to do that and you chose to hack up something rather then make the right part. You did not 'customize' the bolts, you modified the incorrect part to work and, depending on how it was done and the precision to which you did it may have created a part that is a problem or future headache waiting to happen. Mind you, I have done the exact same thing, on my own bike but this is something you are doing for another person and, I assume, for money.

As for bottom brackets you do know your loose ball one wears out as well, those cups are not going to last forever no matter how much you grease and adjust them. Mine is going to last for a year or two with little to no maintenance; the time I would spend maintaining the loose ball BB is worth the small extra cost. I'm sorry but a good set of sealed bearing are going to spin just as well as loose ball ones; if loose ball bearings where so much better why do you never see them used in any kind of machinery or equipment?

Oh, and trim the cable housing!

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Permalink Reply by jen on February 15, 2010 at 12:17pm

A vintage shop is one who cares about the era pieces come from and the way they fit into society. You are talking about a used bike shop . One that sells old used bikes that have been modified. A vintage bike shop restores to ORIGINAL condition.

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Permalink Reply by mike w. on February 15, 2010 at 1:02pm

Tomayto...tomahto... some of this back-and-forth reminds me of something out of Gulliver's Travels -which end of the egg do YOU break?

De gustibus non disputandum est.

Nice conversion, even tho' i'm not a big fan of fixie conversions. But for g-d's sake DON'T cut off the hanger!

Don't just ride that bike, ride the HELL out of it. Enjoy.

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Permalink Reply by Ali on February 15, 2010 at 7:39pm

Actually it is a pretty well proven fact that sealed bearings are better as far as smoothness goes. It is true that loose ball bearings have a lot less initial drag but due to their designs they are much more prone to flex as you can imagine when things flex the friction of the loose ball bearings go way up. While sealed bearing do have a higher initial drag this is far offset by the fact that they are a lot less prone to flex and introduce little to negligible drag when loaded. The smoothness of the loose ball bearing is a mere fallacy when it comes to the real world application of the part while it is under load...Just my 2 cents...

-Ali

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Permalink Reply by Primitive Don on February 16, 2010 at 2:15am

Looks like the Baron has left the building.

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Permalink Reply by jen on February 16, 2010 at 2:40am

yes but you do not have to be a member to read the forum. I am sure he is lurking here somewhere

Primitive Don said:

Looks like the Baron has left the building.

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